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To: koan who wrote (42987)	9/7/2013 1:12:30 PM
From: Thomas A Watson	Respond to of 86356

Well the IPCC has their hockey stick. They do not make public the data used or the computer programs or processing used. How does that agree with toms.homeip.net looked at in 2007. A 2000-YEAR GLOBAL TEMPERATURE RECONSTRUCTION BASED ON NON-TREERING PROXIES by Craig Loehle Reprinted from ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT VOLUME 18 No. 7+8 2007 Well based upon reconstructions of 100% published data. This is a 2000 year temperature reconstruction.

To: koan who wrote (42987)	9/7/2013 2:06:00 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 86356

When are they going to get to 100% certain? How about 110% certain? Heck, why not say 1000%. This certainty crap is just something thrown out to impress gullible people anyway.

To: koan who wrote (42987)	9/7/2013 9:52:49 PM
From: Bilow	1 Recommendation Recommended By Brumar89 Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 86356

Hi koan; LOL, I bet you thought that was very convincing! Let's take a closer look at just one alarmist item it included: "I say the AR5 is a “partial” review that is “hopefully” the last because, like every IPCC report, it is an instantly out-of-date snapshot that lowballs future warming because it continues to ignore large parts of the recent literature and omit what it can’t model. For instance, we have known for years that perhaps the single most important carbon-cycle feedback is the thawing of the northern permafrost." Fortunately, we know that the arctic was fully 8 degrees C warmer than it is now for 8,000 years (during the Eemian interglacial) and yet there was no catastrophic global warming. Greenland's ice cap made it through that warmth a couple of degrees C for a few centuries isn't going to make the planet any different than it's been before. And that warmth graph you give at the beginning, it's missing a few details. First, temperatures have been stable for 15 years so instead of rising vertically the future should be drawn horizontally. Second, it's well known that the warm temperatures of the past were much hotter than it is now. The hippo is native to England. -- Carl