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To: Brumar89 who wrote (41218)9/7/2013 4:42:15 PM
From: Brumar89  Respond to of 69300
 
A software engineer on convergent evolution
Further to “ Convergent evolution seen in 100s of genes,”

I’m a software engineer, and we re-use components all the time for different programs that have no “common ancestor”. E.g. – I can develop my String function library and use it in my web application and my Eclipse IDE plug-in, and those two Java programs have nothing in common. So you find the same bits in two different programs because I am the developer of both programs. But the two programs don’t extend from a common program that was used for some other purpose – they have no “common ancestor” program.

Now with that in mind, take a look at this recent article from Science Daily, which Mysterious Micah sent me. …

“We had expected to find identical changes in maybe a dozen or so genes but to see nearly 200 is incredible,” explains Dr Joe Parker, from Queen Mary’s School of Biological and Chemical Sciences and first author on the paper.

High rates of convergent evolution are only “incredible” if we simply assume as an article of faith that there is no design, and that therefore there is nothing to research. It shall remain then, forever, incredible. No matter why the design exists.

A price paid, shall we say, for dogmatism killing curiosity.

uncommondescent.com

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bornagain77 September 7, 2013 at 2:18 pm

While it is important to note how computer programmers may reuse particular strings of code in different computer programs that don’t have a ‘common ancestor’, (save for the programmer himself) and how that conforms to what is being found in similar sequences of code being found in widely divergent genomes, it is also important to note how these genetic programs differ from humanly designed computer programs, i.e. how much more ingenious genetic codes are in their design. For instance,,,

It’s becoming extremely problematic to explain how the genome could arise and how these multiple levels of overlapping information could arise, since our best computer programmers can’t even conceive of overlapping codes. The genome dwarfs all of the computer information technology that man has developed. So I think that it is very problematic to imagine how you can achieve that through random changes in the code.,,, and there is no Junk DNA in these codes. More and More the genome looks likes a super-super set of programs.,, More and more it looks like top down design and not just bottom up chance discovery of making complex systems.’
Dr. John Sanford – 31 second mark of following video
youtube.com

Multiple Overlapping Genetic Codes Profoundly Reduce the Probability of Beneficial Mutation George Montañez 1, Robert J. Marks II 2, Jorge Fernandez 3 and John C. Sanford 4 – published online May 2013
Excerpt: In the last decade, we have discovered still another aspect of the multi- dimensional genome. We now know that DNA sequences are typically “ poly-functional” [38]. Trifanov previously had described at least 12 genetic codes that any given nucleotide can contribute to [39,40], and showed that a given base-pair can contribute to multiple overlapping codes simultaneously. The first evidence of overlapping protein-coding sequences in viruses caused quite a stir, but since then it has become recognized as typical. According to Kapronov et al., “it is not unusual that a single base-pair can be part of an intricate network of multiple isoforms of overlapping sense and antisense transcripts, the majority of which are unannotated” [41]. The ENCODE project [42] has confirmed that this phenomenon is ubiquitous in higher genomes, wherein a given DNA sequence routinely encodes multiple overlapping messages, meaning that a single nucleotide can contribute to two or more genetic codes. Most recently, Itzkovitz et al. analyzed protein coding regions of 700 species, and showed that virtually all forms of life have extensive overlapping information in their genomes [43].
worldscientific.com

Of related note is how the engineering in a cell easily surpasses our best humanly engineered systems. For instance here are a few examples that will give a small, i.e. a very small, glimpse of how the engineering in the cell easily surpasses man-made devices,,

Bio-Mechanics – Don’t the Intricacy & Ubiquity of Molecular Machines Provide Evidence for Design? by Casey Luskin – Spring 2012
Excerpt:,, biomolecular machines have a major difference that distinguishes them from human technology: their energetic efficiency dwarfs our best accomplishments. One paper observes that molecular machines “are generally more efficient than their macroscale counterparts,”7 and another suggests that the efficiency of the bacterial flagellum “could be ~100%.”8 Human engineers can only dream of creating such devices.
salvomag.com

Problems with the Metaphor of a Cell as “Machine” – July 2012
Excerpt: Too often, we envision the cell as a “factory” containing a fixed complement of “machinery” operating according to “instructions” (or “software” or “blueprints”) contained in the genome and spitting out the “gene products” (proteins) that sustain life.
Many things are wrong with this picture, but one of the problems that needs to be discussed more openly is the fact that in this “factory,” many if not most of the “machines” are themselves constantly turning over — being assembled when and where they are needed, and disassembled afterwards. The mitotic spindle…is one of the best-known examples, but there are many others.
Funny sort of “factory” that, with the “machinery” itself popping in and out of existence as needed!,,,
- James Barham
evolutionnews.org

DNA – Replication, Wrapping & Mitosis – video (notes in description)
vimeo.com

Endoplasmic Reticulum: Scientists Image ‘Parking Garage’ Helix Structure in Protein-Making Factory – July 2013
Excerpt: The endoplasmic reticulum (ER) is the protein-making factory within cells consisting of tightly stacked sheets of membrane studded with the molecules that make proteins. In a study published July 18th by Cell Press in the journal Cell, researchers have refined a new microscopy imaging method to visualize exactly how the ER sheets are stacked, revealing that the 3D structure of the sheets resembles a parking garage with helical ramps connecting the different levels. This structure allows for the dense packing of ER sheets, maximizing the amount of space available for protein synthesis within the small confines of a cell.
“The geometry of the ER is so complex that its details have never been fully described, even now, 60 years after its discovery,” says study author Mark Terasaki of the University of Connecticut Health Center. “Our findings are likely to lead to new insights into the functioning of this important organelle.”,,,
,, this “parking garage” structure optimizes the dense packing of ER sheets and thus maximizes the number of protein-synthesizing molecules called ribosomes within the restricted space of a cell. When a cell needs to secrete more proteins, it can reduce the distances between sheets to pack even more membrane into the same space. Think of it as a parking garage that can add more levels as it gets full.,,,
sciencedaily.com





To: Brumar89 who wrote (41218)9/7/2013 4:51:47 PM
From: 2MAR$  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300
 
lol...that picture is an image too hard to shake, the daily grind of you bent over & over again with that jumbled discord of hatreds that races around that obsessed feeble mind stuck in a cramping loop of infinite regress.

What new wonder of the world shall we attack today, what new fear shall we sow now, what new knowledge or sanity can we persecute or protest in the name of redundancy?

Your tax exempt mental moron twin brother? (i would be looking for the barbed tail)






To: Brumar89 who wrote (41218)9/7/2013 5:22:28 PM
From: 2MAR$  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300
 
This is what i believe in, this kind of designing ,and they light up, not bad for the young little lass from Galveston Texas.

In Nordstroms now & sold over 60,000 pairs at $25 a piece, very nice idea all her own designs but you can thank Jesus if you like, for others play like this comes naturally. Teach people to become designers & free them to be their own entrepreneurs, you've help change the world for the better, permanently
(here or in Syria)

Fish Flops!
fishflops.com




To: Brumar89 who wrote (41218)9/7/2013 5:55:05 PM
From: Solon  Respond to of 69300
 
You have really been HAMMERED here the last few days! Maybe you should get a clue and stay down! ;-)

Just some kindly advice from the wise to the IGNORANT!!