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To: koan who wrote (53417)	9/14/2013 2:31:13 PM
From: sm1th	2 Recommendations Recommended By Brumar89 TimF Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

Because the rights and needs of society has to take precedent over the individual. That type of argument has been used to justify all manner of evil. Why am I not suprised to hear it from you? There is not one successful libertarian society on earth. They do not work. There has never been a successful socialist society on earth. They fail, because the always run out of other people's money.

To: koan who wrote (53417)	9/14/2013 2:36:35 PM
From: sm1th	2 Recommendations Recommended By Brumar89 TimF Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

But people can always send their kids to private schools if they want. So rich people get choices, but the masses have to suffer with whatever the public offering happens to be?

To: koan who wrote (53417)	9/14/2013 2:40:37 PM
From: TimF	2 Recommendations Recommended By Jorj X Mckie sm1th Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

In most cases the needs of society (to the extent it even makes sense to talk of such) are best met by allowing freedom to individuals.

To: koan who wrote (53417)	9/14/2013 3:32:02 PM
From: Jorj X Mckie	3 Recommendations Recommended By i-node miraje sm1th Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

There is not one successful libertarian society on earth. They do not work. there was one wildly successful libertarian society. This country was founded on libertarian principles (or vice versa). The reason that they do not work is that they are so successful that people get complacent and let the "robin hoods", like yourself, have a voice. The only reason that this country has the luxury of teacher's unions and government funded boondoggles like solyndra is the economic and cultural success of the libertarian society that was once the United States of America.

To: koan who wrote (53417)	9/14/2013 3:43:23 PM
From: Joe Btfsplk	3 Recommendations Recommended By i-node Little Joe TimF Respond to of 85487

There is not one successful libertarian society on earth. They do not work. The closer a society is to libertarian, the better its future. The US was a great example for its first century plus, Britain for some time after repeal of the Corn Laws, now Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan. Lithuania and Estonia seem headed in the right direction. Meanwhile, we adopt an increasingly statist approach and the results are becoming glaringly apparent. But your kind will not see.

To: koan who wrote (53417)	9/14/2013 6:17:46 PM
From: Brumar89	4 Recommendations Recommended By gamesmistress greenspirit TimF Wayners Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

When collectivists want to hurt people, they say society deems it necessary. I was reading about FDR's internment of Japanese-Americans recently. It seems AG Biddle and J Edgar Hoover were dead set against it on the grounds there was no security justification. The cartoonist later known as Dr. Seuss (liberal Democrat) was a big voice FOR internment: FDR intended to intern the Japanese Americans who lived in Hawaii, in addition to the ones on the US west coast. But the Army and Navy told him the war effort needed the skilled laborers in that community.

To: koan who wrote (53417)	9/14/2013 7:51:46 PM
From: sm1th	1 Recommendation Recommended By i-node Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

But not at the expense of public education. Society deems that necessary. Why stop at HS. It is really unfair that private schools like Harvard, MIT and Stanford are allowed to compete with the noble public colleges. If we got rid of all of those private colleges and universities, we could push everyone into state colleges. Of course the local school boards would control who gets to go to which school, just like they do for all of the other levels that they run democratically. I am sure that would be a big improvement.