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To: Greg or e who wrote (41580)9/15/2013 12:21:07 PM
From: Solon  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 69300
 
"There Probably are no Duties"

EXACTLY! The only obligations one has are the obligations one DECIDES to have. Pretty obvious!

"read the condemnation of religious wars, religiously motivated terrorism, inquisitions, witch hunts, the suppression of science, sexism, homophobia, and so on"

INDEED!

"read the accusations, regularly repeated in popular atheist literature, that the Bible condones slavery, or genocide, or stoning cheeky children, or rape"

INDEED!

"those who believe in duties have to come up with compelling proof that they exist."

Yes, yes--surely yes!

"what duties you believe are determined largely by your family and cultural background. If you were raised in Iran you would believe you had a duty to execute homosexuals"

EXACTLY! And if you were raised in a superstitious home in America you would believe that Evolution was a Scientific conspiracy and that the earth is 6000 years old and was never a ball of gas but that Adam and Eve and the earth and Universe were all perfectly formed in the same week.! You would also believe that you were born a piece of shit because a fellow named "Adam" sinned! And you would believe that human sacrifice works. In other words you would believe what barbarians believed for thousands and thousands of years.

"if nothing is right or wrong then religious terrorism is not wrong, inquisitions are not wrong, crusades are not wrong, homophobia is not wrong."

That is just plain RETARDED! The premise that nothing is right or wrong assumes that people have no brains, no judgement, no values, no feelings, and no preferences--and that they cannot remark a difference between pain and pleasure, happiness and sadness, security and fear, or death and survival? How big an idiot does one have to be to posit that humans have not survived and flourished by having values and by implementing rules and laws to observe those values??

"Belief in duties is just a primitive Bronze Age superstition."

Well...yes and no: It certainly is that. But duties is a word we use to refer to obligations created by Governments or other authorities such as schools or families. In the last analysis, it is an obligation that the individual takes upon himself to do either voluntarily or under duress or threat. Therefore, it is based Reason and Rational Judgement. At the same time we must acknowledge that many people prefer superstition over Reason and that such superstitious people often take the authority of barbarians or Primitive Tribesmen--as those bronze age people dictated rules to the tribe in order to keep order and obedience and subservience to authority. Of course, this is done today with the same tribal prejudice--but with somewhat higher reasoning--at least in much of the civilized world.



To: Greg or e who wrote (41580)9/15/2013 8:07:09 PM
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"One of the most destructive anti-concepts in the history of moral philosophy is the term “duty.”

An anti-concept is an artificial, unnecessary and rationally unusable term designed to replace and obliterate some legitimate concept. The term “duty” obliterates more than single concepts; it is a metaphysical and psychological killer: it negates all the essentials of a rational view of life and makes them inapplicable to man’s actions . . . .

The meaning of the term “duty” is: the moral necessity to perform certain actions for no reason other than obedience to some higher authority, without regard to any personal goal, motive, desire or interest.

It is obvious that that anti-concept is a product of mysticism, not an abstraction derived from reality. In a mystic theory of ethics, “duty” stands for the notion that man must obey the dictates of a supernatural authority. Even though the anti-concept has been secularized, and the authority of God’s will has been ascribed to earthly entities, such as parents, country, State, mankind, etc., their alleged supremacy still rests on nothing but a mystic edict. Who in hell can have the right to claim that sort of submission or obedience? This is the only proper form—and locality—for the question, because nothing and no one can have such a right or claim here on earth.

The arch-advocate of “duty” is Immanuel Kant; he went so much farther than other theorists that they seem innocently benevolent by comparison. “Duty,” he holds, is the only standard of virtue; but virtue is not its own reward: if a reward is involved, it is no longer virtue. The only moral motivation, he holds, is devotion to duty for duty’s sake; only an action motivated exclusively by such devotion is a moral action . . . .

If one were to accept it, the anti-concept “duty” destroys the concept of reality: an unaccountable, supernatural power takes precedence over facts and dictates one’s actions regardless of context or consequences.

“Duty” destroys reason: it supersedes one’s knowledge and judgment, making the process of thinking and judging irrelevant to one’s actions.

“Duty” destroys values: it demands that one betray or sacrifice one’s highest values for the sake of an inexplicable command—and it transforms values into a threat to one’s moral worth, since the experience of pleasure or desire casts doubt on the moral purity of one’s motives.

“Duty” destroys love: who could want to be loved not from “inclination,” but from “duty”?

“Duty” destroys self-esteem: it leaves no self to be esteemed.

If one accepts that nightmare in the name of morality, the infernal irony is that “duty” destroys morality. A deontological (duty-centered) theory of ethics confines moral principles to a list of prescribed “duties” and leaves the rest of man’s life without any moral guidance, cutting morality off from any application to the actual problems and concerns of man’s existence. Such matters as work, career, ambition, love, friendship, pleasure, happiness, values (insofar as they are not pursued as duties) are regarded by these theories as amoral, i.e., outside the province of morality. If so, then by what standard is a man to make his daily choices, or direct the course of his life?

In a deontological theory, all personal desires are banished from the realm of morality; a personal desire has no moral significance, be it a desire to create or a desire to kill. For example, if a man is not supporting his life from duty, such a morality makes no distinction between supporting it by honest labor or by robbery. If a man wants to be honest, he deserves no moral credit; as Kant would put it, such honesty is “praiseworthy,” but without “moral import.” Only a vicious represser, who feels a profound desire to lie, cheat and steal, but forces himself to act honestly for the sake of “duty,” would receive a recognition of moral worth from Kant and his ilk.

This is the sort of theory that gives morality a bad name."

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