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To: 2MAR$ who wrote (41586)	9/15/2013 11:02:39 AM
From: Solon	Respond to of 69300

Regarding your post (copied below), it would be incomprehensible to us to come across such primitive, uncivilized, and irrational thinking were it not for the fact that we have had the dubious opportunity to read the posts of Retard Greg or ee and Retard Brumley for these many years. Because as stupid, moronic, anti-human, and bizarre as these following quotes are, they hardly can pretend to equal the brainless posts of the two aforementioned. And there is the moral question: Are these people simply superstitious morons who hate Reason, or are they also dishonest and immoral? We *know* how dishonest and immoral Retard Greg or ee and Retard Brumley are. Their posts actually have a stench! ;-) ______________ "Such free & liberal thinkers that ruled the American media for the following four decades after WWII? All the attempts at blacklisting & sabotaging freedom by dissembling bloviating dangerous, simpleton morons? "Sex education classes in our public schools are promoting incest." "Evolution is a bankrupt speculative philosophy, not a scientific fact. Only a spiritually bankrupt society could ever believe it...Only atheists could accept this Satanic theory." "Planned Parenthood is teaching kids to fornicate, teaching people to have adultery, every kind of bestiality, homosexuality, lesbianism –everything that the Bible condemns "I think that actually AIDS is a guardian. That is I think it was sent, if you would, about forty years ago, to destroy Western civilization unless we change our sexual ways. So it's really a Godsend." "Our goal must be simple. We must have a Christian nation built on God's law, on the ten Commandments. No apologies." "I don't think Christians should use birth control. You consummate your marriage as often as you like – and if you have babies, you have babies." "When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we'll execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed."

To: 2MAR$ who wrote (41586)	9/15/2013 1:30:05 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

From Richard Joyce... Primary Argument: There are no real moral claims 1. In order for an act to be ’moral,’ it must necessarily provide a reason for carrying it out. 2. No actions necessarily provide reasons for carrying them out. S1. For an action to necessarily provide a reason for carrying it out, that reason must adhere to practical rationality for all persons. S2. In order for a reason to adhere to practical rationality for all persons, it cannot rationally alienate anyone, nor can it collapse into relativism. S3. Therefore, for an action to necessarily provide a reason for carrying it out, it cannot alienate anyone, nor can it collapse into relativism. [S1,S2] S4. The most plausible accounts of such a reason are ideal observer-based or desire-based. S5. Ideal observer-based accounts alienate persons. S6. Desire-based accounts collapse into relativism. S7. Therefore, the most plausible accounts of such a reason either alienate persons or collapse into relativism. [S4-S6] S8. Therefore, no actions necessarily provide reasons for adhering to them. [S7,S3] 3. Therefore, there are no moral acts. Symbolic Notation Primary Argument: There are no moral reasons 1. M ? N 2. ¬N…Therefore, ¬M 3. ¬M (2, 1,MT) Where M=There are moral reasons and N=Moral reasons are necessarily provided by moral acts. Sub-Argument: No actions necessarily provide reasons for carrying them out. 1. (?x)[Ax ? (¬Ux ? ¬Rx)] 2. (¬Ai ? ¬Ad) ? ¬N 3. Ui ? Rd…Therefore, ¬P 4. Ai ? (¬Ui ? ¬Ri) (1, UI) 5. Ui (3, SIMP) 6. Ui ? Ri (5,ADD) 7. ¬Ai (6, 4,MT) 8. Ad ? (¬Ud ? ¬Rd) (1, UI) 9. Rd (3, SIMP) 10. Rd ? Ud (9,ADD) 11. Ud ? Rd (10,COMM) 12. ¬Ad (11, 8,MT) 13. ¬Ai ? ¬Ad (7, 12,CONJ) 14. ¬N (13, 2,MP) Where Ax=x is an adequate account of categorical reasons, Ux=x is universalized in a way which alienates persons, Rx=x collapses into relativism, N=There are necessary reasons for certain acts, i=An account of categorical reasons based on idealized observers, and d=An account of categorical reasons based on desires.