To: tejek who wrote (740011 ) 9/17/2013 3:33:25 PM From: TimF Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1574701 You don't look at climate change at just one data point. Well really more than one but its only a few. Still I agree a few data points is too little. Which is why I said it weakly supported the other side, rather than strongly. Still you selected the two datapoints from that post and quoted them as if they supported your case which is rather odd since they don't. The difference.........I've been here nearly 15 years. I have never seen a T-storm in the summer. Before this summer, we had 3 T-storms during those 15 years. All those 15 or 30 or even 100 year events, even occasionally actual once in a 1000 or once in 10000 year events are to be expected. Seattle, or even a bigger area like the CO front range, is really tiny compared to all of the Earth's surface. A once in a 1000 year weather even for an area the size of the state of Washington somewhere on the Earth's land surface would be expected about twice a year. Maybe a bit less since weather events, esp. the extreme ones can be bigger than Washington, but still you'd expect it at least once a decade if not more. And that's an actual once in a 1000 year event, not they much more frequent false claims of such. you all trying to prove climate change is hokum. Again - almost no one doubts climate change. Of course climate changes, it always has. What I doubt is Severe and unusual climate change almost totally caused by CO2 emitted from human activity that will cause an extreme disaster (many cities, and areas such as almost the entire state of FL) to be flooded and perhaps cause a mass extension event, within a generation or two or at most a century, if we don't cut CO2 emissions by something like 75 to 99% (depending on the specific claim) within (again depending on the specific claim) 1 to 20 years.