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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (740726)	9/20/2013 5:57:04 PM
From: one_less	2 Recommendations Recommended By Tenchusatsu TopCat Respond to of 1575763

The notion of charity is to give up something of value from your personal excess. Welfare in this country is something different. I had a hard time teaching my kids this. They would come home all excited because they had agreed to give x amount of money to some worthy charity, then they would ask an adult for the money. I would say no, even though they knew I donate to charities. I said no because the issue from them was more about peer approval than giving to someone in need. Giving my money to someone in need is not charity on their part. I eventually convinced them they had to work for some money and then if they were not already obligated with a debt, they could give the extra discretionary money as they wished. I made sure they had money but also that they had obligations. They had to pay for their own pet supplies (food, litter, toys and such). That was the biggest. But they also saved for things I wouldn't buy them, and they had to pay for discretionary items like gifts, magazines and such. Sometimes they ran out, some times they had a little extra when the homeless shelter donation envelope came and I never pressured them to pitch in on a charity I support. I have one kid still at home. She donates her time and money to a school club called Big Sisters (not the one where you are a big sister to a young girl). So far this school year she has worked at the rehab center, homeless shelter, and boys and girls club.

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (740726)	9/20/2013 6:36:06 PM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1575763

There is nothing in his theology that would oppose it. Governments of the time weren't really predisposed to do anything for the poor. But there is no reason to believe that Aquinas, or for that matter the biblical Jesus, would be opposed to the government doing so with taxes. In fact, a strong argument could be made that they would have whole heartily supported such a move.

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (740726)	9/22/2013 2:57:25 PM
From: TimF	1 Recommendation Recommended By Tenchusatsu Respond to of 1575763

Unequal outcomes are to be expected "There is all the difference in the world between treating people equally and attempting to make them equal." “From the fact that people are very different it follows that, if we treat them equally, the result must be inequality in their actual position, and that the only way to place them in an equal position would be to treat them differently. Equality before the law and material equality are therefore not only different but are in conflict with each other; and we can achieve either one or the other, but not both at the same time” — F.A. Hayek