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To: Solon who wrote (42057)

9/22/2013 4:38:59 PM

From: average joe

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Koan loves the tribe.

To: mindmeld who wrote (128584)

12/7/2012 10:08:22 PM

From: koan

of 137628

What you seem incapable of understanding is that you are one part of a larger organism i.e. society.

We all have different ideas. Society is the arbiter of those ideas for the good of society.

So the tribe has the right to insist the good hunter share his kill with the tribe, for the good of the tribe.

It is also good for the individual, to have a strong society, because a strong tribe protects the individual.

And that is true, although many RWers do not seem to understand the concept.

Got it?

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No one has a right to steal from one person to give to someone else. That is against everything this country stands for. And your "feelings" that this is ok is tantamount to criminal instincts. Saddam Hussein felt very much the same way you do.>>

To: Solon who wrote (42057)	9/22/2013 4:41:20 PM
From: average joe	1 Recommendation Recommended By Solon Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

"The basic premise of crude, primitive tribal collectivism [is] the notion that wealth belongs to the tribe or to society as a whole, and that every individual has the “right” to “participate” in it." Ayn Rand "Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men." Ayn Rand

To: Solon who wrote (42057)	9/22/2013 8:42:38 PM
From: GPS Info	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 69300

I remember visiting a Mayan cenote where young girls had their hearts cut out and thrown in as an act of worship to secure the favor of their god. Of course, it was nonsense. They also played a game where the winners were beheaded to honor the gods. Again nonsense. Again, I agree. Interestingly, I had a similar thought earlier today. In Jared Diamond's book Collapse, he writes about the Mayan culture. If I remember correctly, he suggested that the sacrifices to the Sun god were meant to ensure a good harvest. Unfortunately, a one point there was a drought that lasted about 10 years so they had one poor harvest after another, and the people may have finally decided that the sacrifices had no real connection to the harvests. At this point many people left for other parts of the jungle and the Mayan civilization collapsed soon after. This may have happened more than once. Without the scientific method we are prone to such delusions. Probably, the practice of putting pot smokers in jail is an example of IRRATIONAL GROUP SELFISHNESS. I only have a little to say on this. We should make some drugs illegal, but I don't think pot should be illegal. My argument against drugs are for those that make people irrational or desperate to the point of self-destruction. This is a paternalistic view, and I would like to be as libertarian as possible, but the social costs of this self-destruction are just too high. The alternative would be to deny all social services for drug addicts, which I can't accept either. As a society we don't want to outlaw self-destruction, but we also don't want to pay the downstream costs. We allow the damages done by alcohol abuse and pay for it later. Same for cigarettes. Pot, by itself, doesn't cause this type of damage, but it may degrade the social usefulness of its users. This is probably no big loss.