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To: GPS Info who wrote (42182)	9/27/2013 10:34:12 AM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

“I disagree with punishments within the Old or New Testaments or the Catholic Church” Me, too. “Males are aggressive by evolutionary design and this aspect of human nature causes the vast majority of problems in the world.” Quite so. “Men need the church, temple, mosque more than women to avoid the violence in our male natures” That is your thinking and I agree that the church is one place where people can meet to share values and set rules. But I was thinking more of the sort of values and rules...and how those rules are still dismissive of women. Hey, I went to a wedding a few years back where the whole “authority” of man and the obedience of woman and women can't talk in church was central to the ceremony. I was sad to hear that. Religious dogma and ritual was created to control members of a tribe or set of tribes--true. And much of that was controlling the violence of the males and creating rules to live by. And the rules made for women were thought up by males. My point. “I view the Ten Commandments as 'the ten strong suggestions to improve the probability of survival of the societies that follow them.” Societies make bad decisions all the time. Hitler should not have attacked Russia! But seriously. No society could survive today with the ten commandments being enforced, other than it be totalitarian and fascist. However, I follow your point. I keep in mind that the ten commandments were (as you say) not new in any sense--and had obviously served. However, I also recognise how very primitive was the culture that needed to be controlled by such a strong (and often ugly) hand. Apparently, the ten commandments worked for that culture, where death was the penalty for any act of individualism, disobedience, or independent thinking. Conversely, I think the code I referred to in an earlier post is immeasurably more appropriate for modern democratic societies where the individual is granted Rights. “allowing slavery does not diminish the probability of survival for the society that practices it” It does now, though… Another sad omission from the Ten Commandments was pedophilia. Someone might have decided that this practice doesn't diminish the probability of survival, so it's not important enough to make it into the top ten. I agree. It appears that this was corrected as the state became the arbiter of values and the main source of regulation and punishment--rather than the Church. Progress happens and morality gets fine tuned. Still we find the church practicing this perversion for centuries and doing so without sanction by their peers. From Augustine on, the view was that the Priest, as the conduit of Christ's grace could be immeasurably flawed (immoral) without affecting their function or Priestly status. "The answer is tied up in an ancient controversy of the Christian Church, one in which the sinfulness of the priest was explicitly considered in regards to his ministry. And the answer, just as decisively, came down that a sinful priest could continue to serve as a conduit of Christ’s grace. It was not the priest’s status that mattered in the sacraments, but Christ’s, who is, of course, beyond reproach. So, in regards to their most essential functioning in the Roman Catholic Church, these men’s flagrant sexual immorality had no bearing on their priesthood." twelvetribes.org "According to their greatest theologian, Augustine, it simply didn’t matter. Nothing else can explain the report from February of this year, by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops National Review Board, which “revealed that 10,667 children were allegedly victimized by 4,392 priests from 1950 to 2002, but said the figures depend on self-reporting by American bishops and were probably an undercount.” 8