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To: Alan Markoff who wrote (9833)	12/9/1997 10:34:00 AM
From: Jane Hafker	Respond to of 39621

Alan, I will read it. But, au contraire, not in the several tomes I scanned for exactly such association. All I found was direct contact with classical satan worship. You have to accept that, because I sure wouldn't make it up. If need be, I'll dig the whole thing out of secular history, written as it went down. There is nothing wrong with looking very closely at Hitler. He was the prototype, and the prototype is only a dress rehearsal for the real thing. Stalin accomplished more, however. Many, many more people. That we just don't mention. I don't know why, but he surpassed Hitler in every way. I guess he figured that if the German's bought Hitler, the Russians would buy anything he could dream up, and mostly they and the rest of the world did. These two depraved monsters were only prototypes. I think Pol Pot was an excellent example of what is to come. He compiled the horrors of both into one quick sweep half the people in the world still don't understand. The thing about rounded up many people, many, many people who wore glasses and shooting them in the field--because they could read, for sure, with the glasses, and must be intellectuals who might turn against him some day--I don't think anything has ever left me more without the ability to think or reason. I just wanted God to come and get it over as an experiment that has failed miserably. Perhaps that was a rumor. It seems to me it was not. So, yes, I will look for signs of a "Christianity" in Hitler. There has to be some connection somewhere, but I never saw it in history.

To: Alan Markoff who wrote (9833)	12/9/1997 11:12:00 AM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Alan, Nancy, and Emile and Robert as we are all trying to get somewhere here together, I just checked it out. History is very hard to access. Takes a lot of interlibrary loans. Takes people many years to even find what they're looking for, then they have to access it in print. It is most horrible to me to see in historical print that the depraved little minnion of satan was able to tour as a saint-in-the-making of the most high god. I will have to look close to see the mention of Jesus Christ in Mein Kampf. Such works, as with Das Capital, are odious and repulsive to me. I can't go near them, but when I see it reprinted, now I know where to go if I need to prove nothing has been changed. I see enough there to prove the point, however. I don't believe any of those excerpts are faked in any way. Yes, it appears that the self-professed christian church, whatever condition it truly was in, if it was in fact connected with our lord except in name, and that is very depressing indeed to think about, believe me, was thoroughly behind Hitler. But still, Alan, I have to look at this closer. On the surface he gathered the Christians, but the true mover and shaker there seems to be Lucifer. It is possible that the true born-agains and spirit filled in Germany and Holland slowly made their way to the death camps or God miraculously delivered them out of the country. There is much to back that up, the deliverance and the ones that didn't make it.. This to is fact. Please read Corrie Ten Booms book, if you haven't. This is all so totally disturbing. I believe it is like the mule. The man who had the mule and it is an ugly little humorism about the guy slamming the mule on the head with the bat, and someone says what did you do that for, and the guy says, "to get his attention." I forget the point of the joke, but not the point. Let us continue to leave this in the Lord's most capable hands, with his ministering spirit angel also in charge, and continue to see what He wants to do to move what is actually a rather huge mountain smack in the middle of the Path. I believe He wants it moved into the sea, but at this time the mountain is so huge I can only stare at it in wonder. Now, more than ever, I hope that we can thoroughly examine Amellimiusm, whatever it is, and go over it's precepts, and at the same time I hope Emile will bring out what he sees as a dangerous trend in the "Messianic Jewish" movement, which frightens me about as much as hearing there's going to be a great piano and baptist revival hymns get-together. So, something is just so wrong, and I believe in picking up dead elephants and taking them out for burial, rather than continuing to walk around them. It seems like anger has passed, now reason and truth can be brought to light, and perhaps we can take all of the pieces of information and form them into a public web. I think in that we would do service to the King of Kings, Lord of Lords, very God of very God, and Spirit of Truth. Alan, I have to confess that I know the International Conspiracy backward and forward, as Emile does, it is almost impossible to deal with the reality of both sides, and try to see it as fixable. The problem is as close to unfixable as it gets. I don't know if there is a such miracle level that we have such access too. Do we?