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To: koan who wrote (54689)10/7/2013 8:48:44 PM
From: i-node  Respond to of 85487
 
>> Do you not understand how much social security mitigated poverty; and how much help medicare is?

Some people can see both the good and the bad. You can only see the good.



To: koan who wrote (54689)10/7/2013 8:49:22 PM
From: sm1th  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 85487
 
Do you not understand how much social security mitigated poverty;
Do you not understand that King Franklin was provably the most evil person in all American history? During the entire history of the American republic, there has only been one individual so un-American, so EVIL that the constitution had to be ammended to prevent an repeat. The 22nd ammendment of the constitution was enacted specifically to prevent a repeat of King Franklin.
Richard Nixon did terrible things to retain power, but the system was stronger than him and forced him to resign. King Franklin ignored all historical precedent and placed his own glory above the Amreican people. Fortunately, Congress responded soon after his death.



To: koan who wrote (54689)10/7/2013 9:17:39 PM
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  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 85487
 
Mitigate != cure

Also the more the state provides for more people, the more it creates perverse incentives. The less people have to work for themselves, the less they will work. The more you take from those who do create wealth, the less wealth they will create, and the more effort they will spend on hiding the wealthy, lobbying the government for tax breaks, taking advantage of existing tax breaks. Also the more you crowd out associations and community groups that used to exist to take care of people who fell on hard times. Government has more resources (taken from others) than those groups ever did, but it is more likely to use those resources in inefficient ways* and create perverse incentives in doing so.

* - the way the government often measures efficency it sometimes can be very efficent. With its size and economy of scale it can sometimes, push out a larger percentage of what comes in on the effort, leaving a lower percentage on overhead. But just pushing out money isn't actually efficiently using that money.



To: koan who wrote (54689)10/8/2013 8:08:53 AM
From: Brumar89  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 85487
 
It's a shame it's a Ponzi scheme that exploits the young. I mean, there are even liberals who recognize this:

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Many years ago I determined that Social Security was built like a pyramid scheme and that at the income level that I intended to retire with would necessarily be means tested out of the program. This was almost 30 years ago. I think it is disingenuous and disastrous to me personally to treat it as a part of my retirement.. Add to that the fact that the SSTF is the biggest hold of government debt, it just adds to the book-cooking perception that I have. I'm not all that crazy about wealth transfer - I believe that wealth creation is sustainable - but some people are not going to be able to participate in any kind of wealth creation program.

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I'd love to be wrong... but it was really clear that those in early won huge. That is the definition of a pyramid. They say it is funded but they have put the funding into government IOUs. Also, I'm at the tail of the Baby Boomer wave so I'm not optimistic. Greater than inflation increases in most commodities - health care, food, gasoline, etc. have not been properly accounted for so there is an erosion of buying power every year. I don't make this up... it is a bipartisan concern.

The Social Security Trust Fund’s lack of any actual economic assets was noted back in 2000 by Clinton’s Office of Management and Budget, which wrote that, “These balances are available to finance future benefit payments … only in a bookkeeping sense. They do not consist of real economic assets that can be drawn down in the future to fund benefits. Instead, they are claims on the Treasury that, when redeemed, will have to be financed by raising taxes, borrowing from the public, or reducing benefits, or other expenditures.” This quote aligns well with the with the information released recently from Social Security’s chief actuary.

forbes.com



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Social Security is in fact a pyramid scheme, by design, and settled and vetted law