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To: tejek who wrote (745122)	10/8/2013 8:23:18 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 1570078

You are mistaken, it makes perfect sense and it is a sound distinction between capitalistic society and socialistic society. Apparently you've never learned the difference. Is that what you meant to say? That is not what I meant to say nor is it what I said. What I said: * It depends on the economic system. If you want to have everyone work, each according to their ability, and pay workers, each according to need, you have to fundamentally change the system from capitalistic to socialistic. ========================================= >>That makes no sense.........your definition for socialism is the same definition for capitalism. Is that what you meant to say? *"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"* is a slogan popularized by Karl Marx in 1875. It has been applied fundamentally in socialistic society by expecting/assigning people to work according to their ability, while being paid according to their need. So if the needs of the transit worker and the high tech engineer are the same, the state would set their wage to be the same... Classic Marxism at its root. You should have been able to see that my definition of capitalistic wage determination has nothing to do with a person's need, nor is the state is the arbiter of wages in a free market economy. What I said: *I am the last to claim the materialistic world is fair. However, there are principles which are supposed to help drive wage decision making in a capitalist society. 1. Differences in pay for jobs are based upon variations in job requirements such as skill, effort, responsibility, job description, working conditions, or mental and physical requirements... and in for profit business, the degree to which an employee's contribution has an effect on bottom line profits. 2. The general level of wages should be reasonably in line with what is prevailing in the labor market in the same or similar positions. 3. Wages represent a social contract between worker and employer which is considered by each to be mutually beneficial and acceptable given the considerations in items 1 and 2 .

To: tejek who wrote (745122)	10/8/2013 8:24:49 PM
From: jlallen	2 Recommendations Recommended By FJB one_less Respond to of 1570078

To: tejek who wrote (745122)	10/8/2013 8:40:37 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1570078

So how about answering the question? If you want to have everyone work, each according to their ability, and pay workers, each according to need, you have to fundamentally change the system from capitalistic to socialistic. If that is what you want, why not be honest and declare it? I would be amazed if any of you taking the position that a Transit Worker should be paid equal to High Tech Engineer would be honest enough to say you want to fundamentally change the system from capitalistic to socialistic. You? Fogettaboutit Z? doubt it. Shepard? lol Obama? Absolutely... well not directly but "We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America." "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" is a slogan popularized by Karl Marx in 1875. It has been applied fundamentally in socialistic society by expecting/assigning people to work according to their ability, while being paid according to their need. So if the needs of the transit worker and the high tech engineer are the same, the state would set their wage to be the same... Classic Marxism at its root.