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To: elpolvo who wrote (88013)10/10/2013 1:18:15 AM
From: abuelita  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 104167
 
elp -

just so you know, you and altie and jpeg
picked chicago .... i know you're all sorta
preoccupied lately.

- joser



To: elpolvo who wrote (88013)10/10/2013 8:39:32 AM
From: koan  Respond to of 104167
 
It has nothing to do with pride and everything to do with morality and the determination to fight for what is right.

What my dear old mom taught me, was that it was our duty to stand up for the poor and downtrodden. I was raised with her telling me about how bad the great depression was, how much the poor suffered and how much people like FDR and Eleanor Roosevelt soothed and helped the suffering.

She was one of 12 children, most of whom were racists and she severed ties with all of them. She would not tolerate racists, or Republicans for that matter-lol. She was smart and saw how evil they were (that was during the McCarthy era). She did not like Ike either.

I was lucky to get that instruction at a young age. I often think how I would have turned out without it; and figure that is most of the problem with people who didn't get It like Romney, Ted Cruz and Paul Ryan.

All of us who joined the counter culture movement early in the 60's were ostracized. It wasn't easy being in the counter culture. We were going against our culture.

But we were sure we were right and interestingly what we were really looking at and commented on a lot, was the shallowness of the straight world. Stewart sort of does that often with his moment of Zen. We welcomed all the downtrodden: minorities, women and gays and just plain weird people who were very nice but just different.

We were not just rejecting a stupid war, we were trying with all our effort to live moral lives devoid of shallowness.

We were eventually overrun by the human condition, but most of us carried some part of that experience and philosophy with us to the present day.

My concern today is the massive control the plutocrats have over our country and the suffering it is causing.

In 2008 the average white person had 4 times the wealth of a minority, today it is 6 times; and as you know we are 65th in the world in income inequality.

And half our (very rich) nation lives near the poverty line. I gave a women $3 today in the grocery line as she was short. I see that way too much.

I am not Ok with that. And most of the solution is simply having the courage to face reality and make the fight.