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To: SiouxPal who wrote (745819)10/11/2013 7:07:08 AM
From: puborectalis  Read Replies (5) | Respond to of 1569811
 
Dealing With DefaultBy PAUL KRUGMAN
So Republicans may have decided to raise the debt ceiling without conditions attached — the details still aren’t clear. Maybe that’s the end of that particular extortion tactic, but maybe not, because, at best, we’re only looking at a very short-term extension. The threat of hitting the ceiling remains, especially if the politics of the shutdown continue to go against the G.O.P.

So what are the choices if we do hit the ceiling? As you might guess, they’re all bad, so the question is which bad choice would do the least harm.

Now, the administration insists that there are no choices, that if we hit the debt limit the U.S. government will go into general default. Many people, even those sympathetic to the administration, suspect that this is simply what officials have to say at this point, that they can’t give Republicans any excuse to downplay the seriousness of what they’re doing. But suppose that it’s true. What would a general default look like?

A report last year from the Treasury Department suggested that hitting the debt ceiling would lead to a “ delayed payment regime”: bills, including bills for interest due on federal debt, would be paid in the order received, as cash became available. Since the bills coming in each day would exceed cash receipts, this would mean falling further and further behind. And this could create an immediate financial crisis, because U.S. debt — heretofore considered the ultimate safe asset — would be reclassified as an asset in default, possibly forcing financial institutions to sell off their U.S. bonds and seek other forms of collateral.

That’s a scary prospect. So many people — especially, but not only, Republican-leaning economists — have suggested that the Treasury Department could instead “prioritize”: It could pay off bonds in full, so that the whole burden of the cash shortage fell on other things. And by “other things,” we largely mean Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, which account for the majority of federal spending other than defense and interest.

Some advocates of prioritization seem to believe that everything will be O.K. as long as we keep making our interest payments. Let me give four reasons they’re wrong.

First, the U.S. government would still be going into default, failing to meet its legal obligations to pay. You may say that things like Social Security checks aren’t the same as interest due on bonds because Congress can’t repudiate debt, but it can, if it chooses, pass a law reducing benefits. But Congress hasn’t passed such a law, and until or unless it does, Social Security benefits have the same inviolable legal status as payments to investors.

Second, prioritizing interest payments would reinforce the terrible precedent we set after the 2008 crisis, when Wall Street was bailed out but distressed workers and homeowners got little or nothing. We would, once again, be signaling that the financial industry gets special treatment because it can threaten to shut down the economy if it doesn’t.

Third, the spending cuts would create great hardship if they go on for any length of time. Think Medicare recipients turned away from hospitals because the government isn’t paying claims.

Finally, while prioritizing might avoid an immediate financial crisis, it would still have devastating economic effects. We’d be looking at an immediate spending cut roughly comparable to the plunge in housing investment after the bubble burst, a plunge that was the most important cause of the Great Recession of 2007-9. That by itself would surely be enough to push us into recession.

And it wouldn’t end there. As the U.S. economy went into recession, tax receipts would fall sharply, and the government, unable to borrow, would be forced into a second round of spending cuts, worsening the economic downturn, reducing receipts even more, and so on. So even if we avoid a Lehman Brothers-style financial meltdown, we could still be looking at a slump worse than the Great Recession.

So are there any other choices? Many legal experts think there is another option: One way or another, the president could simply choose to defy Congress and ignore the debt ceiling.

Wouldn’t this be breaking the law? Maybe, maybe not — opinions differ. But not making good on federal obligations is also breaking the law. And if House Republicans are pushing the president into a situation where he must break the law no matter what he does, why not choose the version that hurts America least?

There would, of course, be an uproar, and probably many legal challenges — although if I were a Republican, I’d worry about, in effect, filing suit to stop the government from paying seniors’ hospital bills. Still, as I said, there are no good choices here.

So what will happen if and when we hit the debt ceiling? Let’s hope we don’t find out.




To: SiouxPal who wrote (745819)10/11/2013 7:55:23 AM
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lol

What crap. No wonder you sound like such a dumbass. You need to stop reading that kind of drivel.



To: SiouxPal who wrote (745819)10/11/2013 8:19:39 AM
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You do realize once you and Obama destroy any opposition, Obama and his cronies will have no use for you and Reid and Pelosi right?

You really think Obama gives a shit about YOU?



To: SiouxPal who wrote (745819)10/11/2013 8:20:31 AM
From: joseffy  Respond to of 1569811
 
"Unfortunately, people on the left who buy into Alinsky rhetoric do so because they are "done." There is no resuscitating their co-opted brains. they can no longer reason or discern anything.They have become soulless zombies who repeat a mantra of ultimate self destruction and an end to this country promulgated by Soros, Bill Ayers and others."

Karen Lawrence



To: SiouxPal who wrote (745819)10/11/2013 9:57:43 AM
From: joseffy  Respond to of 1569811
 
Greenpeace is a cancerous carbuncle on the neck of peaceful commercial activity.



To: SiouxPal who wrote (745819)10/11/2013 10:57:36 AM
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Redskins Owner Thumbs Nose At Obama, Won't Change Team Name 8 shrktank



To: SiouxPal who wrote (745819)10/11/2013 10:59:27 AM
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who the fukk is karen Lawrence some slut , a welfare queen ? why do you lib men let your women do your talking for yourselfs. You lib men are like the palis, hiding behind women and child



To: SiouxPal who wrote (745819)10/11/2013 11:56:08 AM
From: tejek  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 1569811
 
"Unfortunately, people on the right who buy into rightwing rhetoric do so because they are "done." There is no resuscitating their co-opted brains. they can no longer reason or discern anything.They have become soulless zombies who repeat a mantra of ultimate self destruction and an end to this country promulgated by the Koch Bros, Rush and others."

Karen Lawrence


Yup. And if you watch the posters on this thread................they want to go to fight now since they can't win at the ballot box or in the court of public opinion.......or in the USSC for that matter.

So now they are talking about going to war...........I say..............BRING IT ON!



To: SiouxPal who wrote (745819)10/16/2013 6:31:53 AM
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60 Minutes Celebrates David Koch’s Contributions to Cancer Research

CBS news program 60 Minutes took time to spotlight the vast contributions to cancer research made by libertarian billionaire David Koch Sunday during its segment on Jack Andraka, a 15-year-old who developed a test to detect early pancreatic cancer.

The camera hung over the David H. Koch Cancer Research Building at Johns Hopkins University where Andraka developed his theory. Koch gave $20 million to the university for the building in 2006, and the university president William R. Brody commended him for his “extraordinary generosity.”

In his lifetime, Koch and his charitable foundation have given more than $1 billion to various foundations and programs, including $100 million as prime contributor for the David H. Koch Institute for Integrative Cancer Research at Massachusetts Institute of Technology.



To: SiouxPal who wrote (745819)10/16/2013 10:54:32 AM
From: longnshort  Respond to of 1569811
 



To: SiouxPal who wrote (745819)10/16/2013 10:55:45 AM
From: longnshort  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1569811
 
According to a report from Ed Klein author of Obama biography The Amateur, Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett was the "architect" of the government shutdown showdown. She developed the strategy to force a showdown with Republicans over ObamaCare as part of a plan to regain Democratic control of the House in 2014.

Jarret is called "the night stalker" by some White House staffers because she is the only aide who regularly goes upstairs to the White House residence and "hangs" with the entire Obama family.
It was Jarrett who advised Obama that voters would mostly blame Republicans if the federal government ground to a halt, providing a golden opportunity to swing back control of the House to Democrats in the 2014 mid-term elections, according to Klein.

A Democratic House would give Obama an opportunity to pass immigration and other legislation blocked by the current Republican majority.

“It was during one of those nightly sessions that Jarrett devised the no-negotiating strategy that Obama has employed in his fight with the GOP over the government shutdown,” Klein said, citing sources within the administration.

“Valerie came up with the concept late at night, after the kids and grandma and were gone.”

“She convinced the president that a government shutdown and default offered a great opportunity to demonize the Republicans and help the Democrats win back a majority in the House of Representatives in 2014 .
Valerie also came with the idea of using the words `hostage’, and `ransom,’ and `terrorists’ against the Republicans,’” Klein said.With her proximity to Obama and his family Jarret has more influence on the President than any of his other advisers.
“Everyone in the Beltway knew Valerie Jarrett was influential. They didn’t know how influential she was,” said Klein, who interviewed more than a half dozen White House and former presidential advisers about the shutdown strategy.Jarrett is the one who advised Obama “do not cooperate one iota on ObamaCare. Don’t given an inch. Let the Republicans stew in their own juice,“ Klein said.

“The Republicans walked into a trap set up by Valerie Jarrett and President Obama, The Republicans are in an untenable position,” he added.
Throughout the administration there have been reports of Jarret's influence on this President, the raid on Usama Bin Laden comes to mind where it was reported that Jarrett got Obama to delay the action three times before it was finally executed.

In the end the decision/blame to go or not go ahead with Obama's stubbornness strategy can only be placed with one person the President. And it will be 13 months before we can judge whether or not it worked from his point of view.