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To: LindyBill who wrote (543150)	10/13/2013 6:49:14 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	1 Recommendation Recommended By D. Long Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793917

Fun fact: the Muslim conquests were stopped in the West by Charles Martel, and in the East by Tang China -- two sets of combatants that didn't even know of each other's existence.

To: LindyBill who wrote (543150)	10/13/2013 9:01:20 AM
From: skinowski	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793917

chroniclers give amazing numbers concerning the Muslims -- as many as 300,000. Suffice to say, the Franks were greatly outnumbered, and most historians are content with the figures of 80,000 Muslims against 30,000 Franks. A battle between armies this size back in 732 was by no means a "minor skirmish". It is curious how badly, in the name of PC, modern historians are driven to devalue important events of the past. They are afraid that talking about old invasions and crucial great battles may erode the currently fashionable mood of submission.

To: LindyBill who wrote (543150)	10/13/2013 12:59:11 PM
From: DMaA	Respond to of 793917

Also, I LOVE .Croissants. The legends include tales that it was invented in Europe to celebrate the defeat of the Umayyad forces at the Battle of Tours by the Franks in 732, with the shape representing the Islamic crescent; [14] that it was invented in Vienna in 1683 to celebrate the defeat of the Ottomans by Christian forces in the siege of the city, as a reference to the crescents on the Ottoman flags, when bakers staying up all night heard the tunneling operation and gave the alarm. [12] This has led to croissants being banned by some Islamic fundamentalists. [15] When the legend becomes fact, print the legend".

To: LindyBill who wrote (543150)	10/13/2013 1:45:43 PM
From: Neeka	1 Recommendation Recommended By Stevefoder Respond to of 793917

Interesting that many historians proclaim there were nefarious motives behind the expansion of Western society. The words "colonization" and "nation building" are the words of choice, and have come to mean something contemptible. By the same token, these historians rarely if ever attach the same significance to the act of expanding the Nation of Islam. From the start, the jihadi was guaranteed one of two rewards for his war efforts: martyrdom if he dies, plunder if he lives. The one was an eternal, the other a temporal reward -- a win-win situation that, at least according to early Christian and Muslim chroniclers, played a major role in the success of the Muslim conquests. In other words, that the sources indicate that the Muslims were booty-hungry does not in the least negate the fact that, as with all of the initial Muslim conquests, starting with Prophet Muhammad at the Battle of Badr, territorial conquests and the acquisition of booty went hand-in-hand and were the natural culmination of the jihad.