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To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (747551)	10/17/2013 6:48:48 PM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1577026

being an african american I will have to say, that's really white of you

To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (747551)	10/17/2013 6:53:48 PM
From: longnshort	2 Recommendations Recommended By SiouxPal TideGlider Respond to of 1577026

"I'm not sure if native americans find "redskins" to be an insult. I have only heard white people say that it is offensive. If anybody on the thread self identifies as a native american, let me know if redskins is offensive to you." Krauthammer said 50 years ago that saying negro was ok but you would never say negro now, you wouldn't say hey there is 50 negroes in the us congress so why would you say hey I saw two redskins in the store. who said redskins 50 years ago ? who said hey there's some redskins 100 years ago ? who said it 150 years ago. people would call them by their tribe or maybe say injun but never redskins. if they had their face paint they might say there's some war path indians, watch out.

To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (747551)	10/17/2013 8:01:48 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1577026

There is a similar precedent in the native american community. Obviously it is very offensive to refer to native americans as "indians". However, if you go on tribal lands you will never here the word "native american". They call themselves "indians". And if you are doing business with them and there are no other white people around, you call them indians too. However, if there are white people around, all white people must refer to the indians as native americans. I believe we should incorporate this into the rules as well. Political correctness always has its place I suppose. The American Indian Movement (AIM) might agree with you or they might not. They are a political group who will take whatever leverage they can get, where ever they can get it, usually via pressuring white people into feeling guilty. I met a "Native American" woman who was doing her PhD in Education at the University where I worked. I asked her, in a sensitive way, what label she preferred. She gave me a short lecture about the five hundred or so distinct cultures which had existed here before Europeans came and named this part of the world America. Each had a language and culture of it's own. None of the languages even in translations referred to themselves as natives. We group them, even though the grouping means nothing more than you are something other than us. She told me being called an Indian held the same meaning to her as any other words from European culture. Picking a word from one of the native languages to represent the other 499 cultures doesn't work any better. She went on to explain how originally one culture (of the five hundred or so) had no more in common with another of that set than they did with any of the European sub-cultures. Yet as things go, we like to pigeon hole people into groups and over time we all just seem to get comfortable with our placements. So she said, call me whatever suits you and assured me one label was no more offensive to her than another. Her study was funded from a grant targeting Native American Women so, whatever, life is full of paradox. Tip toeing around labels used for nothing more than funding vehicles and reactionary power plays gets kind of tedious after a while. Ok that was over 20 years ago FWIW.