To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (749997 ) 10/29/2013 10:55:55 AM From: SilentZ Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1574791 >Give me a break. Most people are going to end up paying more. That includes those who had to buy their own insurance anyway, and that will include those who are already covered via their employers or unions. I'm betting that that's incorrect. >This is the "sticker shock" that you see being reported in the media these days. ObamaCare would have never passed if people knew how much it would have cost them. I know YOU would have still supported it, but not those who, if presented with the true costs, would start to question whether to trust the government with such an ambitious and expensive program. That's BS. Once again, the percentage of people whose costs are going up, after subsidies, is very low. You haven't showed otherwise. You've given me a sliver -- 1/3 of self-employed people who buy their own health insurance -- and that's it. I signed up for the exchange and I would either be able to save money or buy a much better plan than I have for a few percent more (which would also end up saving money through lower deductibles and copays). >Now that people know, what are you going to tell them? That most people will end up paying less for their insurance? LOL. That more people who didn't have insurance before will now be covered? That's a more valid argument, but then you'd have to dismiss the opinions of those who would have never supported it if they knew how much it would have cost them. The opinions of a very small part of the overall market... >And you would have to dismiss them in the way that I mentioned before. Rates going up? Too bad, you can afford it. Think about those who can't. And you would have to dismiss the tens of millions who are getting insurance, and decent insurance, that didn't have it before. >It's the major conceit of liberals, that they think they are better judges of what to do with other people's money. Thanks for the platitude. -Z