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To: koan who wrote (750369)	10/30/2013 12:54:17 PM
From: longnshort	1 Recommendation Recommended By FJB Respond to of 1575426

you need a history lesson, the North had slaves also Wilson segregated the Military and was for Eugenics. Liberals don't think blacks can make it on their own and need white people to keep them alive

To: koan who wrote (750369)	10/30/2013 1:42:53 PM
From: Brumar89	2 Recommendations Recommended By FJB TideGlider Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575426

It's historical revisionism to claim Republicans were liberals in 1860. George Fitzhugh, John C. Calhoun, and James Henry Hammond defended chattel slavery as superior to the wage slavery of the north. ..... While defending black chattel slavery, Hammond condemns the north for "enslaving" white workers in factories for petty wages: "Your whole hireling class of manual laborers and 'operatives,' as you call them, are essentially slaves. The difference between us is, that our slaves are hired for life and well compensated; there is no starvation, no begging, no want of employment among our people, and not too much employment either. Yours are hired by the day, not cared for, and scantily compensated, which may be proved in the most painful manner, at any hour in any street in any of your large towns." The moral superiority of chattel slavery over the northern system of labor was obvious through Hammond's eyes. Whereas northerners enslaved members of their own race, southerners enslaved an inferior race, and while northern wage slaves were starved and deprived of employment, southern slaves were well fed and cared for. ..... suite101.com “The Negro slaves of the South are the happiest, and, in some sense, the freest people in the world. The children and the aged and infirm work not at all, and yet have all the comforts and necessaries of life provided for them. They enjoy liberty, because they are oppressed neither by care nor labor. The women do little hard work, and are protected from the despotism of their husband by their masters. The Negro men and stout boys work, on the average, in good weather, not more than nine hours a day. The balance of their time is spent in perfect abandon. The free laborer must work or starve. He is more a slave than the Negro because he works longer and harder for less allowance than the slave, and has no holiday, because the cares of his life with him begin when its labors end. He has no liberty, and not a single right.” Fitzhugh, George. “Free Trade, Ch. 1.” Sociology for the South; or, The failure of free society . New York: B. Franklin, 1965. 27-28. Print.docsouth.unc.edu

To: koan who wrote (750369)	10/30/2013 4:27:50 PM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 1575426

Brain Implants Will Connect People To Internet By 2020... koan you won't even have to get off the toilet

To: koan who wrote (750369)	10/30/2013 10:33:56 PM
From: Bilow	2 Recommendations Recommended By Brian Sullivan Brumar89 Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575426

Hi koan; Re: "The Republicans before 1900 were northern liberals and liberal abolitionists."; So you think the Republicans before 1900 were liberals? The reason liberals are so sure that they're right is that they rewrite history in their favor. No. The Republicans before 1900 were business conservatives. Always have been. They are the successor to the Whig party that was formed in opposition to the Democrats. Your Democrats. The Democrats who are still the liberal party. The Whig Party was a political party active in the early 19th century in the United States. Four Presidents of the United States were members of the Whig Party. Considered integral to the Second Party System and operating from the early 1830s to the mid-1850s, [1] the party was formed in opposition to the policies of President Andrew Jackson and his Democratic Party. In particular, the Whigs supported the supremacy of Congress over the Presidency and favored a program of modernization and economic protectionism. ... The party was ultimately destroyed by the question of whether to allow the expansion of slavery to the territories. With deep fissures in the party on this question, the anti-slavery faction prevented the re-nomination of its own incumbent President Fillmore in the 1852 presidential election; instead, the party nominated General Winfield Scott. Most Whig party leaders thereupon quit politics (as Abraham Lincoln did temporarily) or changed parties. The northern voter base mostly joined the new Republican Party. By the 1856 presidential election, the party was virtually defunct. ... en.wikipedia.org Throughout his career, Lincoln was a champion of the conservative Whig party and fought the liberal Jacksonian Democracy. [59] [60] He promoted business interests, especially banks, railroads and factories. The question of whether Lincoln was a liberal or conservative has been debated. Norman Graeber has argued in favor of Lincoln having conservative positions [61] while James Randall has argued in favor of Lincoln having 19th century liberal positions while at the same time emphasized Lincoln's tolerance and moderation "in his preference for orderly progress, his distrust of dangerous agitation, and his reluctance toward ill digested schemes of reform." Randall concluded that Lincoln was "conservative in his complete avoidance of that type of so-called 'radicalism' which involved abuse of the South, hatred for the slaveholder, thirst for vengeance, partisan plotting, and ungenerous demands that Southern institutions be transformed overnight by outsiders." [62] David Greenstone argues that Lincoln's thought was grounded in reform liberalism but notes his unionism and Whiggish politics had a deeply conservative side as well. [63] en.wikipedia.org Now do you see why historians classify the Republicans as "conservatives" and not as "liberals"? You modern liberals rewrite history by telling each other lies about the past. Your liberal ancestors did not free the slaves. They were in favor of keeping them in chains. It was business interests that freed the slaves. Labor didn't want to free the slaves because they knew that it would reduce wages. The Northern Republicans didn't have that worry and saw the freeing of the slaves as a righteous cause motivated by the Bible. (And the Southern Whigs saw things differently.) -- Carl P.S. And the Republicans are still in favor of modernization while Democrats run around scaring the public with tales about global warming, GMO foods, radio waves causing cancer, etc. On the subject of "economic protectionism" the Republicans have pretty much reversed, but then again, the situation of the country has also reversed. We're no longer the weak little developing country we were in 1860. Now we're the global powerhouse, the country that is economically the most powerful in the world. And the Democrats are still in favor of slavery, but now they've redefined "slave" to mean the whole population.