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To: epicure who wrote (236911)

11/5/2013 8:21:03 PM

From: koan

Respond to of 542258

I agree.

We need to test everything we can. We are too nuts as a species to rely on our rational behavior.

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I'll join- maybe But I won't believe it- I seem to be incapable of belief in anything I can't test, or believe someone else has reliably and repeatedly tested :-)

To: epicure who wrote (236911)	11/5/2013 8:34:39 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542258

"I seem to be incapable of belief in anything I can't test, or believe someone else has reliably and repeatedly tested" That's why I've always been fascinated with this religion, which is not faith based, but, I've never tried it. en.wikipedia.org " The Opening[ edit] The 'opening' refers to a person's first latihan, which is specially arranged to pass on the 'contact', metaphorically resembling a candle flame that lights a new candle with no difference in quality of the flame. Only after the formal opening process, in most cases, is a person able to receive for himself or herself, and is then welcome to participate in the group latihan. In the opening, the person is accompanied by one or more experienced members called 'helpers', and is asked to simply stand and relax with the helpers standing nearby. A simple statement or agreed set of 'opening words' is read by one of the helpers that acknowledges the person's wish to receive the contact. The helpers then begin the exercise as they would normally do. The contact is passed on to the new member without effort or intention on the part of anyone present. This is the moment of the person's first connection with the latihan kejiwaan of Subud." Supposedly, you either get it or you don't. If you don't get it, you leave or try again, no hard feelings. There are no places near me where I CAN try it, but I'm sure you could find one nearby.