To: koan who wrote (753576 ) 11/20/2013 6:26:34 PM From: average joe Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1577586 Wow epicure really let you have it both barrels! To: koan who wrote (238234 ) 11/20/2013 2:41:38 PM From: epicure Read Replies (4) of 238282 So are there no Jewish plumbers? Get off it Koan. College is great, for some, but it's a luxury many can ill afford, and plenty of people don't want to go. We can get all pie in the sky, and talk about how it would be fabulous for everyone, but I teach some students who feel that school is torture, and more school (college, for example) would be horrific. They'd rather get shot in the army than go to college. Perhaps you don't know many people like that, but I know a lot. My circle of acquaintances is large, and I know everyone from families of migrant workers, to captains of industry, and, guess what? The needs of the people I know are different. And I know plenty of people who just aren't very smart. 100- it's the average IQ. And that's not very smart. And there are plenty of people below that. They aren't "bad" people, but they'll probably never learn calculus, or be able to write a great, or even good, essay, or analyze a Shakespearean sonnet- and that's ok. Not everyone needs to go to college and be booksmart, and many people don't WANT to do it. It's snobby and effete to think everyone has to be on the same track, because they don't. And what's more, they can't be. A 300 pound linebackers can't be a ballerina. An asthmatic with poor eyesight can't be an astronaut. We ARE limited to some extent by our genes. To ignore that is willful stupidity, which I find more annoying than genetic stupidity. And it's not MY standards- it's the UC. They've set the standards. I am not really worried about those standards- even though they will keep my youngest out of the UC. But she's kind of stupid. She's my kid, and I love her, but she's not very smart. She'll do great in life, since she's cute, and incredibly energetic and athletic- and she gets more job offers than my more book smart children, so who cares? Life isn't one size fits all. And people use their minds without college, Koan. That's some major bigotry you have going on in your mind, if you think people can't grow their minds on their own. Some of the most original thinkers evolved outside of the college environment. In fact they probably became original thinkers because they weren't in the college environment...