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To: Beam who wrote (13163)	11/29/2013 7:58:15 PM
From: joseffy	2 Recommendations Recommended By lorne slowmo Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 14245

Wrong, Beam. Obama was never a "law professor". And he certainly never taught anything at Harvard. Obama was in INSTRUCTOR at the U of Chicago. That is far from being a professor. "a former Harvard law professor who taught Constitutional law." ............................................................................................................................................................. factcheck.org Sen. Obama, who has taught courses in constitutional law at the University of Chicago, has regularly referred to himself as "a constitutional law professor," most famously at a March 30, 2007, fundraiser when he said, "I was a constitutional law professor, which means unlike the current president I actually respect the Constitution." A spokesman for the Republican National Committee immediately took exception to Obama’s remarks, pointing out that Obama’s title at the University of Chicago was "senior lecturer" and not "professor." Recently, Hillary Clinton’s campaign has picked up on this charge. In a March 27 conference call with reporters, Clinton spokesman Phil Singer claimed: Singer (March 27): Sen. Obama has often referred to himself as “a constitutional law professor” out on the campaign trail. He never held any such title. And I think anyone, if you ask anyone in academia the distinction between a professor who has tenure and an instructor that does not, you’ll find that there is … you’ll get quite an emotional response. The campaign also sent out an e-mail quoting an Aug. 8, 2004, column in the Chicago Sun-Times that criticized Obama for calling himself a professor when, in fact, the University of Chicago faculty page listed him as “a senior lecturer (now on leave)." *The Sun-Times* said, "In academia, there is a vast difference between the two titles. Details matter."**

To: Beam who wrote (13163)	11/29/2013 7:58:58 PM
From: The1Stockman	Respond to of 14245

EXCELLENT Recap of whats happened over the past several years beam. I voted for the man in 2008. We can stack the Pro's and Con's of what Obama's done for America, mainly in his second term, ... and what he stands for, ... and still, ... it would be seriously lopsided on the Con side. If you guys would like to hear more from him, .. let me know, I will reverse the ban and let him speak.

To: Beam who wrote (13163)	11/29/2013 9:17:31 PM
From: gerronimo19	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14245

Gerronimo -- I'm a liberal independent who once voted for Obama, but I've never been so disappointed with his policies. He expanded the war in Afghanistan right after he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, didn't close Guantanamo, and signed the NDAA into law, blatantly disregarding key constitutional provisions which once prevented the indefinite detention of people suspected of terrorism -- which now includes Christian groups, NRA members, military veterans, and probably all of us, who knows. – Yep, being POTUS is complicated. He is everyones President not just the folks who voted for him. It’s my main beef with him as you’ll soon read. I have been disappointed with some of his policies too and for many of the same reasons as you (drones, Immigration crackdown, Guantanamo {although they are receiving hearing as we speak-for release}, not pushing for a single payor from the start) but I have not been disappointed in what he’s achieved. Especially awesome, having to work with the most “obstructionist” law makers in the history of our country. At the worse point of the 2008 economic meltdown our GDP dropped double digits; we were losing 750k jobs a month; our annual deficit was 1.4 trillion and climbing; Banks literally stopped lending, consumers literally stopped buying; 1000’s of people were declaring bankruptcy daily; the financial markets lost 50+%; house prices dropped 40-60%; we were in two war’s; and on and on and on! Under his watch every single economic indicator turned vastly to the upside, despite the congress and not because of them (close to half of every single filibuster ever done in the Senate during the entire history of this country has been done towards Obama and his “policy”). He stopped the war’s; cut the deficit to <800billion; is closing Guantanamo; has created the greatest social change since the 60’s; given the largest tax rebates in the history of the country; advocate and policy for woman’s movement through the Ledbetter act and healthcare reform; reestablished our relationships with our allies; dealt with one manmade and natural diasaster after another, successfully – right Brownie! Like I said, the POTUS may not have gone far enough, or too far in the case of enforcing GW’s NSA reform and Drones, but nobody who has been paying attention can tell me Obama hasn’t been successful. Obama will go down as one of the most successful Presidents in our history when this is said and done. To quote a very smart poster on this board “every one of those tea party lunatics will be sat back in 10 years fighting tooth and nail to keep their Obamacare”. And here he is, supposedly a former Harvard law professor who taught Constitutional law. – When you use words like supposedly for a man who was obviously a very legitimate part of Harvard Law although under a very different role than the one you have given him, and make silly comments about the Nobel Peace Prize, which was completely out of his control, it takes from the authenticity of your post. It’s been interesting watching you get move extreme in your views this past year Beam. I almost started to believe you were just a Left sided version of James under an AKA, but I really don’t know, or care actually J Still, my point is you should write about the legit issues rather than bending down to a Fox News level. He's authorized the use of killer drones around the world, assassinating "suspects" on foreign soil without due process and in violation of other nation's sovereignty, while disregarding the safety and rights of its citizen civilians, many of who have been killed or maimed in the process -- including innocent women and children. He expanded warrantless domestic spying to include all of us, in our homes on our phones and computers -- even watching what we checked out at the library. He's militarized our state police forces in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act, and otherwise picked up right where Bush left off. I won't go into the healthcare debacle or other questionable economic policies that has increased the deficit tremendously -- not to mention the hundreds of barb-wired FEMA detention centers built during his time in office, the thousands upon thousands of plastic coffins, or the billions of rounds of hollow point ammunition now distributed to virtually every government agency including the Post Office. Obamacare is and will be historic, like it or not. Your Deficit statement isn't based on fact. The rest is ranting from Fox again, with the exception of the drone piece and general CIA issues. But even as a former Obama supporter, I can't say the man has done anything close to a wonderful job -- unless you're referring to pushing the US towards a fascist police state in pursuit of a new world order. - Anyone who has read a single paragraph Obama has written on his “world view” would not have been surprised about his Presidency’s direction. Those people are the disappointed ones on the left who don’t understand how moderate Obama really is. There is nothing Obama can do to bring Tea Party along, which he knows. The more moderate right, regardless of what they'd say in public, support Obama’s major policy’s and think the tea party are a bunch of radicals idiots. This has been proven multiple times during the past two national elections which was a referendum on Obamas major policies (Health reform, the War, NSA etc). I just don't think you were ever a supporter Beam or you didn't take the time to understand what a centralist Obama is.