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To: 2MAR$ who wrote (43675)	12/1/2013 6:35:02 PM
From: Brumar89	Respond to of 69300

No, I don't. You make a fool of yourself time and again. The latest is your claim that the Renaissance was founded on the thinking of one of the few ancient Greeks who detested homosexuality. You didn't know about that when you started flacking for Epicurus and Lucretius, did you? That's undoubtedly one of the things Lucretius liked about Epicurus. Many Romans looked upon Greek culture, with it's pro-homo, pro-pedo elements as degrading to Rome's traditional culture and it's values. Not many people know that. Here is the Roman poet, Juvenal, writing satirically about Greek homosexuality in Rome: ..... Juvenal's second satire, ommitted from school texts of Juvenal and translated with omission even in the Loeb edition of Juvenal, begins as a discourse on the homosexuality of those who seem to be masculine heterosexuals. (Warning: Graphic language ahead) Appearances are deceptive: Every back street swarms with solemn-faced humbuggers. You there - have you the nerve to thunder at vice, who are The most notorious dyke among all our Socratic fairies? Your shaggy limbs and the bristling hair on your forearms Suggest a fierce male virtue; but the surgeon called in To lance your swollen piles dissolves in laughter At the sight of the well-smoothed passage. We will not find in the popular press what we find in Juvenal. He alone presents us with a graphic, incriminating anal imagery to expose the practicing homosexual. Juvenal refers to morbus (disease), and observes symptoms of anemia among the homosexuals, as in the harlot denouncing the "detestable peversions" of men who are "giving tongue to each other's parts.... Your lawyer-philosopher obliges young men both ways, his versatile efforts/Turning him doubly anemic." Same-sex "marriage" is seen as the ultimate, even blasphemous, perversion And what about That noble sprig who went through a "marriage" with some common Horn-player or trumpeter - and brought him a cool half million As a bridal dowry? The contract was signed, the blessing Pronounced, and the blushing bride hung round "her" husband's neck At a lavish wedding breakfast. Shades of our ancestors! Is it a moral reformer we need, or an augur Of evil omens? That a former priest of Mars now "decks himself out in bridal frills, assumes/The train and veil!" deeply repulses the satirist, who in turn, can only wonder "whence came/This prurient itch upon them? A wealthy, well-born/Man is betrothed in marriage to another man/And you [O Father of our City] do nothing." Clearly the speaker is "homophobic" if by that we mean condemnatory of anal intercourse. The more he knows, the more he condemns it. Juvenal envisions same-sex "marriages" becoming commonplace, as a friend confides: "I must go down-town tomorrow First thing: a special engagement." "What's happening?" "Need you ask?" I'm going to a wedding. Old So-and-so's got his boyfriend To the altar at last...." He foresees the time when male brides "will yearn for a mention/In the daily gazette," just like the major U.S. dailies are now formally announcing same-sex engagements and "marriages." ............... The second satire concludes by asking the reader to imagine the next-life underworld (banished by Epicurus and Lucretius) actually exists. The reception of modern homosexuals by virtuous Romans of old would require purification rites for the new arrivals "even among the dead/Rome stands dishonored." Primitive tribes in northern Europe conquered and captured by the Roman legions find abhorrent the sexual vices practiced in Rome, proof that homosexuality flourishes only in morally anarchic luxury. Foreigners who stay long enough in Rome will eventually "catch her deadly sickness," which Peter Green, our translator, makes explicit from the earlier morbus, which is obviously a venereal disease. As Juvenal recognized in the secularized, godless Rome of his day, same-sex "marriage" is not merely a crime against Nature and a corruption of marriage and family, not merely a symptom of moral decline, but a function of a morally sick society that includes a disease primarily transmitted by anal intercourse. At the center of the second satire, he writes that Infection spread this plague And will spread it further still, just as a single Scabby sheep in the field brings death to the whole flock Or the touch of one blighted grape will blight the bunch. ........ freerepublic.com