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To: Brumar89 who wrote (43749)12/7/2013 3:59:08 PM
From: Brumar89  Respond to of 69300
 
The outdated Neo-Darwinists

Vox:

As usual, I appear to be well in advance of the scientists. Isn't it simply astonishing that a non-scientist can so readily and reliably predict the inaccuracy and unreliability of the current scientific consensus? How is that even theoretically possible? How can ignorance trump credentials and actual science education? And yet....
In a paper in the journal Nature, scientists reported Wednesday that they had retrieved ancient human DNA from a fossil dating back about 400,000 years, shattering the previous record of 100,000 years.

The fossil, a thigh bone found in Spain, had previously seemed to many experts to belong to a forerunner of Neanderthals. But its DNA tells a very different story. It most closely resembles DNA from an enigmatic lineage of humans known as Denisovans. Until now, Denisovans were known only from DNA retrieved from 80,000-year-old remains in Siberia, 4,000 miles east of where the new DNA was found.

The mismatch between the anatomical and genetic evidence surprised the scientists, who are now rethinking human evolution over the past few hundred thousand years. It is possible, for example, that there are many extinct human populations that scientists have yet to discover. They might have interbred, swapping DNA. Scientists hope that further studies of extremely ancient human DNA will clarify the mystery.There isn't a mystery here. The TENS true believers keep thinking that genetics will color in the lines of their rudimentary evolution-based models, but instead, the science keeps breaking their lines. All of the conceptual models are wrong. Pretty much all of the carefully calculated timelines are wrong. Evolution by natural selection is a red herring of a theory that was developed at a time when the scientific tools were crude and largely unscientific. So, it should be absolutely no surprise that the improved data being provided by advancements in genetic science is repeatedly overturning the conclusions that were previously reached.

"“This would not have been possible even a year ago,” said Juan Luis Arsuaga, a paleoanthropologist at Universidad Complutense de Madrid and a co-author of the paper. Finding such ancient human DNA was a major advance, said David Reich, a geneticist at Harvard Medical School who was not involved in the research. “That’s an amazing, game-changing thing,” he said."

The game will change, but it will take time. I am aware that most scientists are still holding firmly to the natural selection model. This, too, is as expected, as per Kuhn. We'll have to wait until all the Dawkinses and Myerses die off before geneticists with a sufficiently open mind can throw out the theory altogether. As it happens, they're already beginning to throw out Mr. Dawkins's signature concept:
Mendel didn’t expose the physical gene, of course (that would come a century later), but the conceptual gene. And this conceptual gene, revealed in the tables and calculations of this math-friendly monk, seemed an agent of mathematical neatness. Mendel’s thousands of crossings showed that the traits he studied — smooth skin versus wrinkled, for instance, or purple flower versus white — appeared or disappeared in consistent ratios dictated by clear mathematical formulas. Inheritance appeared to work like algebra. Anything so math-friendly had to be driven by discrete integers.
It was beautiful work. Yet when Mendel first published his findings in 1866, just seven years after Charles Darwin’s On the Origin of Species, no one noticed. Starting in 1900, however, biologists rediscovering his work began to see that these units of heredity he’d discovered — dubbed genes in 1909 — filled a crucial gap in Darwin’s theory of evolution. This recognition was the Holy Shit! moment that launched genetics’ Holy Shit! century. It seemed to explain everything. And it saved Darwin.

Darwin had legitimised evolution by proposing for it a viable mechanism — natural selection, in which organisms with the most favourable traits survive and multiply at higher rates than do others. But he could not explain what created or altered traits. Mendel could. Genes created traits, and both would spread through a population if a gene created a trait that survived selection....

These days, Dawkins makes the news so often for buffoonery that some might wonder how he ever became so celebrated. The Selfish Gene is how. To read this book is to be amazed, entertained, transported. For instance, when Dawkins describes how life might have begun — how a randomly generated strand of chemicals pulled from the ether could happen to become a ‘replicator’, a little machine that starts to build other strands like itself, and then generates organisms to carry it — he creates one of the most thrilling stretches of explanatory writing ever penned. It’s breathtaking.

Dawkins assembles genetics’ dry materials and abstract maths into a rich but orderly landscape through which he guides you with grace, charm, urbanity, and humour. He replicates in prose the process he describes. He gives agency to chemical chains, logic to confounding behaviour. He takes an impossibly complex idea and makes it almost impossible to misunderstand. He reveals the gene as not just the centre of the cell but the centre of all life, agency, and behaviour. By the time you’ve finished his book, or well before that, Dawkins has made of the tiny gene — this replicator, this strip of chemicals little more than an abstraction — a huge, relentlessly turning gearwheel of steel, its teeth driving smaller cogs to make all of life happen. It’s a gorgeous argument. Along with its beauty and other advantageous traits, it is amenable to maths and, at its core, wonderfully simple.

Unfortunately, say Wray, West-Eberhard and others, it’s wrong.The best part of all this is that Dawkins clearly knows it's wrong too. Not that he's going to admit it, though, not yet.
I phoned Richard Dawkins to see what he thought of all this. Did genes follow rather than lead? I asked him specifically about whether processes such as gene accommodation might lead instead. Then he did something so slick and wonderful I didn’t quite realise what he’d done till after we hung up: he dismissed genetic accommodation… by accommodating it. Specifically, he said that genetic accommodation doesn’t really change anything, because since the gene ends up locking in the change and carrying it forward, it all comes back to the gene anyway.

‘This doesn’t modify the gene-centric model at all,’ he said. ‘The gene-centric model is all about the gene being the unit in the hierarchy of life that is selected. That remains the gene.’

‘He’s backfilling,’ said West-Eberhard. ‘He and others have long been arguing for the primacy of an individual gene that creates a trait that either survives or doesn’t.’They backtest and they backfill. That's due to the crumbling state of TENS. They're still clinging to natural selection, of course. But the TENS model is in crisis and it will collapse soon enough. It is even beginning to look as if we may get to see it happen in our lifetimes. Gene expression is more compatible with Intelligent Design than with TENS. We are not evolved, we are created. DNA is our C++ equivalent, and the womb is our compiler. Compile it differently, get different results. This is not New Age mumbo jumbo, but a scientific hypothesis that will be testable once we understand it well enough to become proficient in programming it ourselves.

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To: Brumar89 who wrote (43749)12/7/2013 4:14:54 PM
From: 2MAR$  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300
 
Thats a response? Your entire pretense & evasion rests upon some vague point of imaginary doctrine, weak semantics & the "invisible", which is always convenient scapegoat. If God created the universe, fine, he's either actively involved in or he isn't, doesnt make much difference then whether you hold the world sacred or God. But wait, you people are so confused you can't figure out whether its satan or God that created it. One moment its a fallen world,full of leftist liberals, the next its perfect filled with the holy spirit & pie in the sky.

The Pantheist takes it all in, especially now that we know what the "invisible" is, if there is a God he lives in the atoms. Relatively, you live still in the best of all possible worlds, your only creative gesture is whining.



To: Brumar89 who wrote (43749)12/7/2013 4:20:35 PM
From: 2MAR$  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300
 
Btw, i stand 100% behind the thought religions are pretensious & silly, when most any group of women from any tribe, from any era could affirm most all the essentials of anyone of them in a day. Think about it, its true, nothing could be more easy to see. The best of the best in religion, women know & practice inherently, because they are physical beings with built in "love & nurture", for its their nature.



To: Brumar89 who wrote (43749)12/7/2013 5:57:29 PM
From: 2MAR$  Respond to of 69300
 
Back to science & anthropology, when populations increase, there evolves the need & demand of the urban centers, the maintenance of those expansions require governance & compliance. A structured access to water,sanitation, storage, division of labor, security, building walls, ruling for overall sustenance & preservance , like the body must have its regulance. The human mind has no peculiar mystical aspects, nothing invisible. Its simply the repository of sensory data with the ability to store these reflections of the physical world exactly, or as approximately as that can be.

The mind deals with things in details every time that are about internals & externals that are always physical, then organizes & constantly weighs ,reevaluates and stores in memory.

"how far"... "how close"... "how fast"..."how many" ..."how few".... "how edible"..."how dangerous"... "how heavy"..."how sharp"..."how hot"..."how cold"..."how wet"...."how dry".