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Politics : Manmade Global Warming, A hoax? A Scam? or a Doomsday Cult? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Don Hurst who wrote (3445)12/9/2013 11:27:05 AM
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oh so now you respect republicans...right



To: Don Hurst who wrote (3445)12/9/2013 11:58:17 AM
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Don, there's a difference between winning a debate and asserting victory. If there is no longer any scientific debate, would they be so kind as to explain how the opposing arguments are incorrect? <There is no longer any credible scientific debate about the basic facts: our world continues to warm, with the last decade the hottest in modern records, and the deep ocean warming faster than the earth’s atmosphere. Sea level is rising. Arctic Sea ice is melting years faster than projected."<>

Could they please say how the heat got from the mid troposphere to the deep ocean without being observed, and how do they measure the deep ocean enthalpy?

If they can answer that, could they also explain why they think the temperature in the troposphere has increased over the last decade or so when the climate scientists have demonstrated that it has not, contrary to the models?

That's a bit of basic science for them to get their teeth into, rather than simply assert that they are right because they once had cushy numbers in the EPA so are obviously caring communists.

Sea level is NOT rising. I can go and stand on the shore of Manukau Harbour, where I stood 60 years ago, and can't see the difference. But, if I get out a millimetre ruler, on a very still day, I can see that there has been maybe 60 mm increase in high tide level [I have not actually measured it, other than by standing there and trust that the climatologists have measured correctly]. 60 mm in half a century is nothing. It has been rising since the end of The Little Ice Age which preceded the CO2 emissions so we can't claim to have caused that with our CO2.

Over the last 100 years, the Fox, Franz Josef, Tasman and other glaciers and ice fields have melted to higher levels than 200 years ago in the thick of the cold. That's the source of the sea level rise. Not CO2 warming the ocean, causing expansion.

But even if CO2 is causing thermal expansion of the ocean, the rate is so slow that it's trivial. Meanwhile, the ice is accumulating on Antarctica, even if there's a slight decline in the Arctic, on land, which is where the ice needs to melt to raise sea level. The ice cap at the pole getting thinner doesn't raise sea level [I guess you know that].

Mqurice



To: Don Hurst who wrote (3445)12/9/2013 12:19:33 PM
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Don, the original Environmental Protection Agency people had a sensible purpose - stopping the fouling of the air, water and soil.

Lead, soot, nitrogen oxides, sulphur oxides, vanadium and muck from nickel smelters filled the air, as Beijing now experiences. Children's developing brains were poisoned, never reaching their potential. Buildings dissolved from the acidity of the rain [see the limestone buildings of London]. The soot coated London's buildings black and Los Angeles had foul smog. One could see large diesel trucks take off from traffic lights belching huge clouds of soot with carcinogens and simple filth. Chimneys poured out smoke into London's air so that an evening run for fun was not a healthy activity. Across the USA, and the world, waterways were normally open sewers, rendering them uninhabitable by even anaerobic bacteria let alone fish and birds. In NZ, the Manukau Harbour was totally dead. NZ introduced similar laws to those of the USA to stop the pollution.

CO2 is a different thing. It is not unclean as they say. CO2 is inherently a good thing. Like water which is to we scientifically literate people also a chemical, H2O. Those silly EPA people even threw in the word "chemical" to scare the rubes in their "We must act now, do not bother thinking." assertion of the need to panic, now, not later.

The main problem at the EPA is that they don't now have much to do, other than mission creep to keep the cash flowing and environmental junkets on tap. They like to go to Cancun too. They are a solution, looking for a problem. They need cash, and lots of it, every week, to make payroll. If they can't find something to panic about, the politicians might close them down as an agency having served its purpose. Argggghhhhh... the last thing a government department, or any department, wants to see. In the business world, when a department stops contributing profits, they become visibly useless. When a government department stops producing profits, it's business as usual as they are a money heaven, not a profit centre.

Mqurice



To: Don Hurst who wrote (3445)12/13/2013 11:24:30 AM
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SNOW HITS CAIRO, FIRST IN 100 YEARS




To: Don Hurst who wrote (3445)12/13/2013 5:12:45 PM
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Maldives So Worried About Sea Level Rise, That They Are Building A New Airport Next To The Sea
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To: Don Hurst who wrote (3445)12/18/2013 6:07:34 AM
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The global warming scam that will not die
By Wesley Pruden
The Washington Times
Monday, December 16, 2013

We were all supposed to be dead by now, fried to a toasty potatolike chip. Or doomed to die with the polar bears. It was to be a soggy end for the most beautiful planet in the cosmos and for all the passengers riding on it. The global alarmists never quite got their story of fright and fear straight, whether by now we would be fried or frozen.

First they warned of global warming, and when they needed a new narrative “global warming” became “climate change.” They finally settled on something they could prove because the climate does, in fact, change. First it rains, and then the sun comes out. Then it rains again. Rain, sun, rain, sun, drip, drip and dry. The narrative is ever new.

There was always a scarcity of evidence that the globe was on a wild tear, but there was never a scarcity of alarm. We got bedtime stories of ghosts and goblins from the graveyard, wild monsters from Boggy Creek, even a creature from a black lagoon and all kinds of other things that make the night a time of fearsome fun and games. Al Gore, who had a lot of time on his hands after his White House gig was aborted, even made a movie about it. It’s still popular in certain circles on Halloween night.

Only 13 years ago (and 13 is the unluckiest of the numbers, which is pretty scary, too), a scientist at the climate-research unit of Britain’s University of East Anglia predicted that “within a few years’ time” a snowfall would be “a vary rare and exciting event. Children just aren’t going to know what snow is.” Some of the newspapers eagerly cooperated with spreading the “news.” One of them reported that for the first time a well-known toy shop on London’s Regent Street had no sleds on display. Who needs scientific evidence when you have a story like that?

That was then, and this is now, and Britain is huddled against predictions that 2013-14 will be one of the coldest and wettest winters in a very long time. “Worst winter for decades,” cried the Daily Express. “Record-breaking snow predicted for November.” And so it came to pass. By the end of November, British teeth were chattering, and snow, ice and plummeting temperatures were at hand all across “the sceptr’d isle,” and it wasn’t yet winter. The kids were getting lots of lessons in “snow,” the snow they were never going to see.

The global-warming hysteria grew quickly after that early prediction of a scarcity of snow. Certain scientists with more ambition than sense saw opportunity lying close at hand. With the falling snow could come falling grants to pay for learned papers. Learned academics have learned that a feverish alarm, served with a dollop of hysteria, can move the learned nonsense out of the faculty lounge and into the newspapers and onto television screens. And not just in Old Blighty, whence the scam originated.

James Hansen, whose career at NASA gave him the credentials to be taken seriously even when he didn’t sound serious, predicted that in the decade after 2020 the average annual temperature would rise by 9 degrees, with more heat to come. Soon we would be boiling like lobsters. An ambitious young man with his sights on medicine or the law might set his sights higher, and consider a career in fans and air conditioning.

Mr. Hansen, in an op-ed essay in The Washington Post, blames everything on “climate change” — the European heat wave of 2003, the Russian heat wave of 2010, catastrophic droughts in Texas and Oklahoma last year. To discount his view of what’s at stake — a climactic version of hope and change — “would be like quitting your job and playing the lottery every morning to pay the bills.”

The admiration Mr. Hansen and his like-minded colleagues have for themselves is as breathtaking as their contempt for all who disagree with them. The more their scam crumbles, the louder they shout its particulars. Mr. Hansen says he started speaking out about climate change again, after a period of relative reticence, because he did not want his grandchildren to say, “Pa, you understood what was happening, but you never made it clear.” Now that events are making it clear what a scam global warming really is, those grandchildren are more likely to say, “Pa, why did you tell all those fibs and stretchers for so long?”

Wesley Pruden is editor emeritus of The Washington Times.

washingtontimes.com