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Politics : The Obama - Clinton Disaster -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: John who wrote (90092)12/13/2013 9:38:27 AM
From: locogringo2 Recommendations

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Honey_Bee
John

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When Muslim Soetoro, Moochelle Soetoro, Rangel, Holder, and the entire Congressional Black Caucus apologize to Whites for their routine barrage of racist hatred and vitriol against me and my people, come back and talk to me.

I would be surprised to see him return for any educated debate, being the gutless lecturing type that he is. He made his accusations, and ran away. They all do the same. Lofty language with empty words.

They can't be proven wrong when they hide in a corner. It is their way.

He appears very unhappy with life, and attempts to make others as unhappy as he is. Liberals are the same all over the world. The accuse others of their own faults from a self constructed pedestal.



To: John who wrote (90092)12/14/2013 12:37:45 PM
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It really was my intention not to get embroiled in further activity and discussion on this Board because I did not wish to be part of, or associated with, the racist expression as was displayed in your post, especially as it seemed to be supported by others, including the moderator. And that remains my stance.

You state that it is "your right under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution" to express yourself in that manner. Well, maybe you should test that "theory" by placing it in a widely read and respected newspaper in your country and see how it is received, both by the general public and the judiciary.

It was somewhat gratifying that at least one regular member of this board, viz. 'Shoot1st', was prepared to "Recommend" my post.
And, rest assured (for what it's worth) I would have done EXACTLY the same had a similar form of expression been used against a Caucasian, i.e. White individual, at the top echelon of your government.

You asked, in several instances, in your post as to "Where was I when ...".

Well, I was here in the country of my birth, minding my own business. What happens in America has nothing to do with me. If I should read of a behaviour of anyone, be it in America or elsewhere, that I, personally, would regard as unacceptable then I would very likely be appalled by it, irrespective as to whether it originated from a White American, an African American, a White Extremist, an African American Extremist, a Communist, a Conservative, a Liberal, or WHOEVER.
I would most probably have put my feelings or opinion in writing for the purpose of attempting to ensure that it didn't happen in my own country.

What has come to gall me is your ongoing insistence, together with several other board members, that I am a supporter of either of the Obama's just because I thought that what Barack Obama said in his memorial speech for Nelson Mandela was something that I could relate to.
And you and others continue to occupy that stance Irrespective of what I've said to the contrary. Why is it SO DIFFICULT for you to take the time and the trouble to read, clearly, what I've said ?
You continue to ignore it in your ongoing attempt to demonize me and cast me in the role of some extreme left wing liberal extremist.

As was stated by this board's moderator in #90077 ....

"You don't know me or who I am, or what my history is", so I suggest you and others bear that in mind when you make your unsubstantiated vitriolic comments and accusations.

And, Yes, I'm not an authority on what Michelle Obama, or 'Soetoro', or Rangel, or whoever else had to say. Quite honestly I couldn't care less. I would have said much the same thing had you referred to the Head Honcho of the Klu Klux Klan.
And I would have said much the same thing about the contents of Obama's speech had I read it in a publication that did not refer to who said it.
Let me "shout it out in print" in case you didn't hear it the first, second or third time ....

IT WAS THE CONTENT OF THE SPEECH THAT APPEALED TO ME, IRRESPECTIVE OF WHO HAD SAID IT !!!

JEEZ, I don't know why members of this board just cannot clearly read what I've said in that regard and accept it.

Now I can understand how you and fellow Americans may feel about the utterances and actions of anyone that reflected adversely on your own country.

I can only reiterate and refer to what I've said before .... if you believe anyone, including the President or his wife, has done anything illegal then use the Legal system to deal with them.
If it wasn't illegal, but unacceptable to you, then go out into the public domain and make your voices heard so that their utterances or behaviour will be taken into account whenever they apply for any position in government or wherever else.
And if, after all that, there are still those who support them, then that's their democratic right, in the same way that it's your democratic right not to support them.

And one last thing, with reference to a question that was directed to me by Shoot1st in #90089 ....

I ABHOR SLAVERY, ..... irrespective as to who, or which racial group, suffered it.

I am, in fact, surprised that any American would want to have anything to do with it.
There have been several references in this board regarding the American Declaration of Independence and the justifiable and understandable pride that board members have for it.
Well, as I read it, it starts off with .....

" We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

I see no specific reference there to "all White men" or "all pale Brown men" or "all Black men" or "all pale Yellow men", etc, etc, .... I only see "all men".

How any PATRIOTIC American can reconcile himself with Slavery and still have high regard and belief in that Declaration is beyond me.

This board's moderator referred to the fact that he's "a military veteran and risked (his) life many times for the sake of (his) country".
It goes without saying that he should be commended and respected for his selfless actions. It is because of individuals like him, who were prepared to do what they did, over the years and in many wars, that free democratic societies can exist today.
I would also like to refer to the fact that there were many African Americans who also laid down their lives for those same ideals in virtually every war that the United States of America has been involved with.
I say that because when one reads through posts on this board one reads of several instances of abuse directed towards African American citizens.

And those really are my final words and thoughts on what has gone before .......