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To: koan who wrote (758431)12/17/2013 9:35:41 PM
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LOL!!

You are SUCH a tool.....



To: koan who wrote (758431)12/17/2013 10:39:50 PM
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Yes, but scientist's don't do science for the grants. They do it for the love of science.

So, when a scientist who works for an oil company or coal mine says that AGW is is vastly overstated, you are not skeptical of any bias that he might have due to the fact that he works in an industry that contributes to atmospheric CO2. You trust his conclusions because he is a scientist who does it for the love of science, not for the money.

Right?



To: koan who wrote (758431)12/18/2013 1:09:27 AM
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Idiot koan writes:

"scientist's don't do science for the grants."


They can't exist without the grants, retard.



To: koan who wrote (758431)12/18/2013 8:11:44 AM
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Science says gay parenting not so good for kids so liberals reject science

Scientific Groupthink and Gay Parenting By Richard E. ReddingWednesday, December 18, 2013


The controversy over a recent study on gay parenting illustrates a sociopolitical groupthink operating in the social scientific community. Scientists should go where the science takes them, not where their politics does.

University of Texas sociology professor Mark Regnerus’s study, “How Different Are the Adult Children of Parents Who Have Same-Sex Relationships? Findings from the New Family Structures Study,” published in the academic journal Social Science Research last year, caused a firestorm in the scientific community. Unlike most previous studies, Regnerus found that children of parents who had experienced a same-sex relationship fared worse than children of heterosexual parents on measures of social, emotional, and psychological adjustment as well as educational attainment, employment history, need for public assistance, substance abuse, and criminal justice system involvement.

The reaction to the Regnerus study was swift and harsh. Many of his academic colleagues said it was fatally flawed. Many questioned the motives of the author, reviewers, and journal editor. Did they have an anti-gay political agenda?

The controversy illustrates how tougher standards for assessing scientific worth are applied if a study produces results that are inconsistent with the scientists’ own political views. Suppose Regnerus had conducted an identical study, with the same methodological flaws, that had produced results consistent with previous studies, finding no differences between the children of gay or lesbian ("lesbigay") versus heterosexual parents. Would this one study (among the over 60 studies on lesbigay parenting) receive the same criticism, or any criticism at all, from the academic community? Would 201 scholars send a letter to the journal objecting to its publication of the study? Would the author’s former department chair publish an op-ed saying that she was “furious” about her junior colleague’s “pseudo-science”? Would academics make allegations in blogs and other forums about the integrity of the author, journal editor, and editorial review process?1 Would the professor’s university subject him to an intrusive investigation for possible scientific misconduct (of which it found no evidence)? And would similar attacks have been launched against other researchers who dared to question the scholarly consensus?2

Conservatives’ trust in science has dipped to an all-time low.This is not the first time that science has clashed with politics. The Bell Curve, a book about the heritability of intelligence and the resulting libertarian or conservative policy implications, created great controversy. The Regnerus case unfolded similarly to the controversy surrounding the publication of a meta-analysis of child sexual abuse studies that was published in the journal Psychological Bulletin and reported that childhood sexual abuse often caused few long-lasting psychological effects. The article caused outrage. The study was attacked as substandard, and many questioned the authors’ motives and alleged scientific misconduct.

Most would acknowledge that science, particularly policy-relevant social science, is often politicized. The Regnerus controversy illustrates that scientists’ sociopolitical views frequently affect the kind of science that is conducted on policy-relevant questions, how findings are interpreted and received, and the degree of critical scrutiny such studies receive.

Scientific Groupthink

“If when a study yields an unpopular conclusion it is subjected to greater scrutiny, and more effort is expended towards its refutation, an obvious bias to ‘find what the community is looking for’ will have been introduced.”3

The Regnerus case illustrates a sociopolitical groupthink operating in the social scientific community. Surveys of the professoriate consistently find faculties to be quite lopsidedly liberal. The political imbalance is particularly acute in the social sciences, with liberal-conservative ratios of between 8:1 to 30:1 in most disciplines, and particularly with respect to social issues like gay marriage.

Such homogeneity of sociopolitical views among social scientists almost invariably leads to “groupthink,” a phenomenon that occurs when group members have relatively homogeneous backgrounds or ideological views. With this groupthink comes self-censorship and pressure on dissenters, the negative stereotyping and discounting of conservative perspectives, and a failure to consider conservative-friendly (as compared with liberal-friendly) question framing and data interpretation. A recent national survey of psychology professors found that one in four reported that they would be less likely to give a positive recommendation on a journal manuscript or grant application having a conservative perspective, and one in six would be less likely to invite conservative colleagues to participate in a symposium. In sociology, Notre Dame University Sociology Professor Christian Smith notes that:

The temptation . . . to advance a political agenda is too often indulged in sociology, especially by activist faculty in certain fields, like marriage, family, sex, and gender ... Research programs that advance narrow agendas compatible with particular ideologies are privileged ... the influence of progressive orthodoxy in sociology is evident in decisions made by graduate students, junior faculty, and even senior faculty about what, why, and how to research, publish, and teach ... The result is predictable: Play it politically safe, avoid controversial questions, publish the right conclusions.

Regnerus did not, however, play it safe. He did not publish the right conclusions on a politically controversial topic. Politically correct sociologists, on the other hand, enjoy certain privileges in a very politically conscious and liberal discipline. Indeed, there sometimes is the belief “that social science should be an instrument for social change and thus should promote the ‘correct’ values and ideological positions.”4

No wonder there is so little research by academics that arguably supports conservative policy perspectives. When such research is published, the Regnerus controversy illustrates how it may be received. Critics used the liberal norms and privileges of their discipline to marginalize the Regnerus study. A point-by-point methodological comparison of the Regnerus study alongside previous lesbigay parenting studies reveals the selective scrutiny applied by the critics of the Regnerus study.5

Ideological Diversity Is the Antidote

“No one knows how many research programs [social scientists] have failed to launch, or how many research discoveries they have failed to make, as a result of the skew in the distribution of [political] views within their discipline.”6

Contrary to the critics’ concerns about the political conservatism of Regnerus and his funders, the Regnerus study illustrates the value of ideological diversity among both researchers and funders. The allegedly conservative researcher Regnerus, funded by advocacy organizations opposing gay marriage, conducted a study producing findings useful to gay marriage opponents. Many previous studies were conducted and/or funded by those favoring gay marriage, and they produced findings useful to the gay-marriage cause.

Scientists should go where the science takes them, not where their politics does.It is not surprising, nor is it indicative of nefarious scientific misconduct, that researchers of different ideological persuasions would produce findings consistent with their own ideology. It is human nature to frame research questions and interpret findings in ways that confirm one’s political beliefs. Such biases are the norm, even among scientists. This is particularly true when it comes to research on social issues because social scientists, many of whom were attracted to social science because of its progressive ideology, often have values invested in the issues they research. One can find such ideological tilt throughout social science research. For instance, how researchers interpret data on the relative contributions of hereditary factors versus environment to intelligence, or on biological factors in personality styles, seems to be partly a function of their political views.

Politics inevitably enter into the scientific endeavor as a consequence of the sociopolitical, parochial, financial, or career interests of researchers, funders, and professional organizations as well as those of the larger scientific community and polity. Scientists’ values and interests influence how they define and conceptualize social and behavioral issues, the data collection and analysis methods chosen, how results are interpreted, how scientists scrutinize and evaluate a study’s quality, and whether there are incentives or disincentives to advance research findings in policy advocacy.

Because biases are endemic to the scientific enterprise, the Regnerus case illustrates how research conducted or funded by those outside the sociopolitical mainstream, insofar as social scientists are concerned, may be the only way that “politically incorrect” research challenging the scientific consensus gets done. Theoretical or ideological homogeneity among researchers tends to produce myopic, one-sided research, whereas ideological diversity fosters a more dynamic climate that encourages unorthodox, diverse (and sometimes politically incorrect) research. Not only do those in the political minority bring diverse perspectives to the research endeavor, but their very presence has the effect of widening perspective and reducing bias in the rest of the scientific community. If social scientists were embedded in ideologically diverse networks of other scientists, they would be more likely to consider and test alternative hypotheses and perspectives on the social issues they research.

Science and Scientists in the Policy Debate

“Social scientists are never more revealing of themselves than when challenging the objectivity of one another’s work. In some fields almost any study is assumed to have a more or less discoverable political purpose.”7

Especially with controversies like the Regnerus study, it is no wonder that policymakers of all political persuasions are often skeptical about policy research coming from the academy, or that conservatives’ trust in science has dipped to an all-time low. This is what happens when policy-relevant research fails to be politically inclusive because virtually everyone funding and doing the research comes from the same political perspective.

Social scientists, many of whom were attracted to social science because of its progressive ideology, often have values invested in the issues they research.Indeed, scientists who do research on policy issues arguably have an obligation to inform policymakers and the public about their research findings. But it is dangerous for science, policymaking, and the public’s trust in science when scientists are encouraged to do so only when the science supports liberal positions but are discouraged from doing so, or risk disapprobation from their colleagues, when the findings do not. Sadly, this is often the case. Scientists should go where the science takes them, not where their politics does. To attack a study based on the political incorrectness of its findings or its author’s and funder’s politics is scientifically irrelevant and ad hominem. Rather, studies must stand or fall on the weight of their methodological reliability and validity.

Otherwise, as Smith writes, “the very integrity of the social-science research process is threatened ... [we] cannot allow social-science scholarship to be policed and selectively punished by the forces of activist ideology and politics.”8 Making every effort to apply the same standards when scrutinizing studies that provide politically palatable results as when scrutinizing those that do not, and promoting rather than discouraging ideological diversity among researchers and their funders, are the best ways to ensure the integrity of science in the oft-politicized field of social science.

This essay is adapted from Redding’s “Politicized Science,” published in the journal Society.

Richard E. Redding is the associate vice chancellor for graduate education and professor of law and psychology at Chapman University.


FURTHER READING: Redding is co-editor with Robert Maranto and Frederick Hess of The Politically Correct University: Problems, Scope, and Reforms. Henry Olsen writes on the “ Dangers of Academia's 'Indoctrination Mills'” while Arnold Kling discusses “ The Political Implications of Ignoring Our Own Ignorance.” John Steele Gordon describes “ The Politically Correct Calendar.” Mark Perry examines “ Partisan Grading.”Footnotes:

1. Even if one accepts some critics’ claims that the study’s conservative funders and supporters were inappropriately involved in the study (though not unlike drug companies who test their own drugs), and that it was designed in such a way so as to maximize the chances of producing certain results, unless data fabrication is alleged and proven, the study design and limitations nonetheless can still be evaluated on their own terms, and it is unlikely that the study would have been so strongly and widely attacked by academics had it produced politically correct results, even if it had been publicized and used in advocacy efforts.

2. Schumm, Walter. "Apparent scholarly consensus and intergenerational transfer of parental sexual orientation and other ‘myths.’” International Journal of the Jurisprudence of the Family.

3. Loury, Glenn. “Self-censorship.” Our Country, Our Culture: The Politics of Political Correctness (pp. 132– 144).

4. Glenn, Norval. Social science findings and the “family wars.” Society, 38(4), 13-19.

5. See Redding, Richard. “Politicized Science.” Society, 50(5), 439-446.

6. Tetlock, Philip. “Rational versus irrational prejudices: How problematic is the ideological lopsidedness of social psychology?” Perspectives on Psychological Science, 7(5), 519-521.

7. Moynihan, Daniel. “Social science and the courts.” National Affairs, 54, 12-31.

8. Smith, Christian. “ An academic auto-da fé.” The Chronicle of Higher Education.

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To: koan who wrote (758431)12/19/2013 4:34:00 AM
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Hi koan; Re: "Yes, but scientist's don't do science for the grants. They do it for the love of science.";

This is the attitude of a lot of beginning grad students. But to stay in academia (in science) nowadays means that you *must* get grants. They do not give tenure for good instructors. The colleges want *money* and that means grants.

So to maintain the life of a scientist means winning grants.

So I agree that they "don't do science for the grants". Instead, they "do the grants to stay in science."

This amounts to pretty much the same thing.

All this changes when people win tenure. But tenure is more and more difficult to get these days.

Let's say a department grants tenure to a couple of scientists. One turns out to be a real hero, a guy who keeps developing better and better stuff. Attracts lots of grants. The other only wanted tenure. After he gets tenure he never does another stick of research. Just teaches his required (light) load.

After a few years the tenure bargain doesn't look so good to the university. In the second professor they end up with a leech attached to the department until they can ease him out through age limits. And in the first case? Well the guy who became famous left the department in order to take up a position at a more prestigious university, one that was closer to his wife's folks (or whatever).

So overall, tenure is a bad deal for universities. They get nothing from it. If scientists truly "do it for the love of science" there's no need to use tenure to attract them. And if they do offer tenure, people, being people, will abuse it.

And universities aren't stupid. They grant tenure a lot less often now.

Go ask your son in law which parts of the above are an untrue description of academic reality.

-- Carl

P.S. Since you're a moron, here's some references from the academic literature on the subject:

As an example, this study shows that junior scientists, in order to obtain tenure, adjust what they study. That is, there's more to motivating scientists than "love of science" per se:

Reward Systems and NSF University Research Centers: The Impact of Tenure on University Scientists' Valuation of Applied and Commercially Relevant Research

Boardman, P. Craig; Ponomariov, Branco L.
Journal of Higher Education, v78 n1 p51-70 Jan-Feb 2007
Over the past three decades, U.S. science policy has shifted from decentralized support of small, investigator-initiated research projects to more centralized, block grant-based, multidisciplinary research centers. No matter one's take on the "revolutionary" nature of this shift, a major consequence is that university scientists, now more than ever, are subject to multiple and often conflicting demands. The purpose of this article is to examine the impact of having tenure on university scientists' consideration of these demands, particularly the demand for applied and commercially relevant research. For this study, the authors examine scientists who work in a particular type of university research center, one previously referred to as the "multidiscipline multipurpose university research center" (MMURC). MMURCs are interesting because they are required to be tenured or they are required to occupy a tenure-track position in an academic department. In this study the authors tested the general hypothesis that junior-level scientists will, relative to their tenured counterparts, devalue applied and commercially relevant research in favor of basic research, which the authors feel is justified by (a) some basic microeconomic reasoning and (b) implications of the above-discussed literature. (Contains 2 tables and 11 endnotes.)
eric.ed.gov

Use of Non-Tenure-Track Faculty Members Is a Long-Term Trend, Study Finds

aas.org

Proponents argued more than 60 years ago that tenure is needed to provide faculty the freedom to pursue long-term risky research agendas and to challenge conventional wisdom (1). Those arguments are still being made today (2) and are still valid. However, a 30-year trend toward privatization is creating a pseudo–market environment within public universities that marginalizes the tenure system. A pseudo–market environment is one in which no actual market is possible, but market-like mechanisms (such as benchmarking and rankings based on research dollars, student evaluations, or similar attributes) are used to approximate a market.
sciencemag.org