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To: 2MAR$ who wrote (44481)	12/27/2013 6:06:52 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

Who else prayed for the forgiveness of the people who were killing him?

To: 2MAR$ who wrote (44481)	12/27/2013 6:43:30 PM
From: average joe	Respond to of 69300

On occasion when the Catholic Church receives a true champion they give that person up to their enemies to be burned at the stake. Priest: What about all these dresses you were given? Silk dresses, weren't they? Joan of Arc: Yes, I was given a few, but I never had time to wear them. Priest: Still... pretty wealthy for a peasant girl, wouldn't you say? Joan of Arc: You look pretty wealthy to be a servant of God, wouldn't you say? The trial record demonstrates her remarkable intellect. The transcript's most famous exchange is an exercise in subtlety. "Asked if she knew she was in God's grace, she answered: 'If I am not, may God put me there; and if I am, may God so keep me.'"The question is a scholarly trap. Church doctrine held that no one could be certain of being in God's grace. If she had answered yes, then she would have convicted herself of heresy. If she had answered no, then she would have confessed her own guilt. Notary Boisguillaume later testified that at the moment the court heard this reply, "Those who were interrogating her were stupefied." In the twentieth century George Bernard Shaw found this dialogue so compelling that sections of his play Saint Joan are literal translations of the trial record. Eyewitnesses described the scene of the execution by burning on 30 May 1431. Tied to a tall pillar at the Vieux-Marché in Rouen, she asked two of the clergy, Fr Martin Ladvenu and Fr Isambart de la Pierre, to hold a crucifix before her. An English soldier also constructed a small cross which she put in the front of her dress. After she died, the English raked back the coals to expose her charred body so that no one could claim she had escaped alive, then burned the body twice more to reduce it to ashes and prevent any collection of relics. They cast her remains into the Seine from the only bridge called Mathilda.The executioner, Geoffroy Therage, later stated that he "...greatly feared to be damned." Finally, Anne of Burgundy, the duchess of Bedford and wife to the regent of England, declared Joan a virgin during pretrial inquiries.For technical reasons this prevented the court from charging her with witchcraft. Ultimately this provided part of the basis for her vindication and sainthood. The technical reason for her execution had been a Biblical clothing law.The nullification trial reversed the conviction in part because the condemnation proceeding had failed to consider the doctrinal exceptions to that stricture. The appellate court declared her innocent on 7 July 1456.