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To: bentway who wrote (240797)12/30/2013 1:20:44 PM
From: Sam  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541124
 
There doesn't seem to be a lot of easily accessed info on early American subsidies as a stand-alone subject, but I can think of a couple right off the top of my head.

It is so absurd that it isn't worth talking about. There were subsidies right from the beginning. Bread doesn't know what he is talking about. How does he think we stole all that land from the Native Americans? The central govt would make a treaty to get land, then after awhile when the land that was granted to whites was taken and more was "needed", the treaty would be violated and if necessary the army would come in to make sure that white people got what they wanted. Railroads were subsidized; so were canals. Tariffs were put on in order to make American goods competitive. Land was "bought" from the French, lol, who got it from the Spanish who took it from the French before that or from Native Americans who clearly didn't know what they were getting into when they helped the first Caucasians survive when they first came to this continent.

That is just the obvious stuff, I am forgetting a lot of things, don't have time for this sort of nonsense. It is like Thomas Jefferson, owner of several hundred slaves, extolling the virtues of the independent yeoman farmer, hard work, and the American Way. Or talking about the dangers of debt and banks, but not being able to live without going into such deep debt that if his creditors hadn't thought it would be shameful for a former president to be foreclosed on, he would have been kicked out of Monticello long before he died.

Give me a break.



To: bentway who wrote (240797)12/30/2013 3:34:26 PM
From: Wharf Rat  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541124
 
Erie Canal by the state of NY?

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To: bentway who wrote (240797)12/30/2013 5:18:48 PM
From: Bread Upon The Water  Respond to of 541124
 
That was the first thing that came to my mind also--the railroads and grants of right of way of mile or so on each side. The second was the Homestead Act. Both I think came within a decade of after the civil war although i see from your Wiki info the Union Pacific deal wa set up during. So we have been government promoting/subsidizing from at least from the last third of the 19th century.