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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (163995)

1/4/2014 10:13:36 AM

From: Follies

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Lets remember - Employer sponsored health care is also subsidized by tax deductions.

There is no such thing as employer sponsored health care, unless you are talking about when you go to the nurses office.

I think you mean Employer sponsored health insurance.

Individual health care is subsidized by tax deductions if it comes out of your pocket, regardless of insurance.

So what's your point? 50% of our activities are subsidized in one way or another because do gooders in Washington think they can craft a better society by incentivizing behaviors that they deem worthy.

So Ken are you in favor of less incentivizing, or more? Or is it just things that you deem worthy to incentivize?

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (163995)	1/4/2014 10:15:37 AM
From: Follies	Respond to of 224749

Ken I haven't heard yet, did more people get more healthcare this year compared to last year? Were there more hip replacements, or casts for broken arms, or maybe more open heart surgeries. What healthcare has increased? I want to know.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (163995)	1/4/2014 11:11:58 AM
From: sm1th	Respond to of 224749

Employer sponsored health care is also subsidized by tax deductions Another bad idea from liberals. Most true conservatives oppose it.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (163995)	1/4/2014 2:20:53 PM
From: longnshort	1 Recommendation Recommended By TideGlider Respond to of 224749

‘I’ve never been treated so poorly’: Alabama mom’s scathing letter over Obamacare nightmare January 4, 2014 by Cheryl Carpenter Klimek 1 Comment While the Obama administration continues to tout the success of Obamacareand the newly revamped website, real people are facing the new year with no health insurance. Photo credit: Karri Kinder Facebook page Karri Kinder, an Alabama mother of two, wrote a scathing open letter detailing her nightmarish experience trying to get her family covered before their policy ran out on Dec. 31. After discovering her insurer planned to increase the family’s premiums from $380 per month to $828.26 under the new plan – an amount slightly less than her house payment – she turned to the Obamacare website. “I have never been treated so poorly by any insurance company in my whole life,” Kinder wrote in her letter, posted on her blog. “I have never experienced such terrible customer service in all my years on this earth. I can’t imagine how long a company would last in this country if they followed the same protocol as the ACA/Health Insurance Marketplace does.” Read Kinder’s letter here: An Open Letter to the Obama Administration and American Citizens: My family’s journey with securing our new insurance under the Affordable Care Act (ACA) started on October 1, 2013. I have decided to write this letter to let the American people know what it has been like for us. We are a family of four, with two little boys’ ages seven years old and three years old. My husband and I have had full time jobs for 6 years and 13 years respectively. We have been with the same two companies for those years. We are a middle class family; we own our three bedroom two bath house, we own two cars, and previously provided our own insurance for the four of us. We have coverage through Individual Blue from Blue Cross Blue Shield of Alabama until 12/31/13. Our premiums have been $380.00 a month, which also included dental coverage for all four of us. On October, 1, 2013 we received our letters like other Alabamians about our new premiums and plans for 2014 from Blue Cross Blue Shield (BCBS) of Alabama. When I opened our letter to say I had sticker shock was an understatement. Our premiums for the Blue Saver Silver would now be $753.26. This included the ACA tax but did not include the additional $75.00 we would need to pay in order to keep dental for me and my husband. So we would need to pay total $828.26 to keep health and dental insurance for the four of us. This payment is roughly $64.00 less than what we pay for our mortgage each month. I was outraged that anyone thought we could afford this. Sure we have some savings, but with that price tag we would whittle it down to almost nothing very quickly. I consider savings as a rainy day fund, a start to saving for the kid’s college, our retirement, etc. I never dreamed in a million years we would need to use it to pay our insurance premiums each month – how in the world could this help the economy too? Throughout the month of October we read everything we could on what our plan would cover, and tried to get the information we needed about the ACA. I was also blown away when I realized that my son’s medical care, he has Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD), would cost us so much more out of pocket than it was currently costing us. My son has to go to his doctor every other month for his care. If we need to see a therapist we do that monthly, so you see on top of the premiums there are other out of pocket cost we have to factor in. He is also on medication that he takes daily. His medicine is a life saver for him and helps him function like a normal seven year old, without it he can’t focus, his grades slip and his mind literally goes back to the mind of a three or four year old. When he was first put on his medicine his reading went up 20 points and he went from writing one to two sentences to paragraphs, all in the course of a week. He is a straight A student and very bright, but without the proper medical care that could slip away from him. Under our new plan for 2014 we would need to pay a $55.00 co-pay, and then it would be covered at 80 percent once we reached his deductible, which would be $2,000 individual $4,000 family. Out of pocket max numbers are $6,350 individual and $12,700 family. All of this is enough to make anyone’s head spin. We were then forced to look at other options as none of this was affordable for our family. I started to dig deeper into healthcare.gov. I was hearing all the horror stories through the news about the subpar website. I was reading right off their healthcare.gov Facebook page about other people’s terrible experiences trying to get coverage. Then the government announces that they are going to be working on the site and making it a better experience as well as making it more secure. They had already had three years to make this happen but they said would need the month of November to get it running right. So I waited patiently for them to get the site running so I could see if we would qualify for the subsidy and continue our health insurance through that route. December 6, 2013 I went to healthcare.gov and started our application. The process took me over two hours to complete. Once it was completed it came back with our results. The results were that my husband and I qualified. That my three year old qualified for All Kids and that my seven year old did not qualify for anything through the exchange (ACA). I was so confused, how could a seven year old not qualify for a subsidy? Read the rest of Karri’s letter here.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (163995)	1/5/2014 9:30:45 PM
From: TopCat	5 Recommendations Recommended By dave rose Follies Honey_Bee locogringo TideGlider Respond to of 224749

Can you explain why it is that in Obamacare they can charge more each year as you get older but can't charge extra for pre-existing conditions? Makes no sense. One more reason why it will collapse.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (163995)	1/5/2014 10:46:38 PM
From: lorne	Respond to of 224749

Egypt probes U.S. bribes of terror leaders Suspects facing charges of murder, assassination, collaborating with foreign governments Sunday, January 05, 2014 wnd.com WASHINGTON – Egyptian Attorney General Hisham Barakat is reportedly evaluating evidence that Muslim Brotherhood leaders, facing charges of murder, assassination and collaborating with foreign governments, accepted bribes from the U.S. Embassy in Cairo. An Arabic Language press report in the Egyptian newspaper Almesryoon, translated by Walid Shoebat, a former Palestinian terrorist turned advocate for Christians facing Islamic persecution, cites a “judicial source” for the information. Shoebat, author of “God’s War on Terror,” “For God or for Tyranny,” and the lecturer on eschatology in the video series “End-times Today,” says his own independent investigation of the toppling of the government of Muslim Brotherhood leader Mohammed Morsi suggests the press report is correct. “Evidence we have obtained lends credibility to the charges of ‘gifts’ (bribes) being taken in U.S. dollars from the U.S. Embassy in Cairo that were distributed to top ministerial level officials in the Morsi government,” he wrote on his website. The trials of the terror suspects are scheduled to begin in Cairo Aug. 25. The translated Almesryoon report states: “A judicial source stated that over the past few days, a number of complaints have been filed with the Attorney General Hisham Barakat. These complaints accuse the leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood and leaders of the centrist party of receiving gifts from the American embassy in Cairo. The sponsors of these complaints stated that among these leaders are Mohamed Badie, General Guide of the Muslim Brotherhood, Khairat Al-Shater, deputy leader and businessman, Mohamed Beltagy leading the group, Essam el-Erian, deputy head of the Freedom and Justice Party of, and Abu Ela Mady, head of the Wasat Party, Essam Sultan, deputy head of the Wasat Party.” “The strength of these allegations is seemingly bolstered by another case alluded to by the newspaper in which a document is referenced,” says Shoebat. “This document reportedly reveals monthly “gifts” being paid to Muslim Brotherhood leaders in Egypt by the Prime Minister Hamad bin Jassim bin Jabor Al Thani, minister of foreign affairs to the Morsi government. These monthly payments were said to be denominated in U.S. dollars to each leader.” Shoebat himself has obtained documents that seem to confirm the evidence. They include the names of several recipients of funds with signatures acknowledging receipt. “The names listed on the Qatar document match several names mentioned in the Almesryoon article, including Mohamed Beltagy, listed as the last name in the Qatari document as being paid an annual ‘gift’/bribe of $850,000 annually in U.S. dollars,” says Shoebat.