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To: RMF who wrote (68644)	1/6/2014 9:34:47 AM
From: d[-_-]b	2 Recommendations Recommended By Peter Dierks TimF Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71588

The Chinese are eating us alive on Green Technologies Let them - the industry is failing even in China - it's a business where only the lowest margins can survive - but at the moment those margins are all negative and require constant subsidies to survive. Any investment in the USA should be on research for newer better green technologies that have a chance for profit like fusion.

To: RMF who wrote (68644)	1/6/2014 8:10:31 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71588

They are outproducing us on green electricity production increases because they are outpacing us on increasing electricity production in general (adding new coal production all the time). The Chinese would get more environmental benefit for less money by putting money in to things like scrubbers then they will get from subsidizing* solar and wind. * IMO targeted tax cuts are not subsidies (the government is not giving wealth to someone they are taking less), but they have the same or almost the same economic effect and they often get called subsidies. When I talk about the government tilting the economy towards one type of solution or one type of producer I'll typically say subsidizes or subsidizing, despite the technical inaccuracy because that's a lot less clumsy than something like "taking actions which advantage this type of producer" or some similar construction. I might even use the term, when I'm presenting the idea as a verb, for restraint (or requirement) of trade that benefits a special interest such as feed-in tariffs for solar and wind, and import quotas on sugar, but really while subsidies, favorable tax rates, and restraint on competition all benefit special interests, they are three different things. I believe China might do all three (not sure about the tax rate part).

To: RMF who wrote (68644)	1/8/2014 11:30:50 PM
From: LLCF	Respond to of 71588

Clearly "free trade" is only "free" in relative terms. The dopey dogmatic version that many of these WingNutz subscribe to make no sense… it is NOT in the interest of the population, it is a "global view" that treats Asian people as American citizens…. it is one of the most un-American positions one can take, yet these clowns wrap themselves in the flag while crowing about it. It is an utterly hypocritical position… because these clowns try an whip up the electorate with nationalism while they espouse a global paradigm… essentially a global government. DAK