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To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (241846)	1/11/2014 11:24:23 AM
From: koan	Respond to of 541486

Ok, I don't know how to address that one. But I do know the right wing has had a misguided war on public schools since Friedman and the neo cons have attempted to turn everything over to the private sector and reengage segregation. The conservatives sure love segregation. It is best if the legislature funds public colleges well enough to keep tuitions low and also have programs for the needy like work study and decent loan programs. California had it perfect in the 60's when I went to college, but the Republicans worked hard to destroy that.

To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (241846)	1/11/2014 11:24:41 AM
From: Sam	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541486

This is crazy talk. Is it fair that the children of the guy making 90k a year have to take out bigger student loans because their tuition went up in order to give aid to poorer students? What are you talking about? What is a scholarship based on need? Where does anyone think that that wealth comes from, exactly? There are formulas that decide what the guy who makes 90k should pay as well as what the guy who makes 40k should pay for any given college. Those formulas include in them how many children the parents who are paying have among many other factors. If you don't want to pay what the university/college says they think you should pay, then don't go to that school. Schools set tuition based on a lot of factors, and I would certainly not claim that all of those are fair, but to say that one of those factors shouldn't be based on an overall view of who should be included in the student body and what kind of aid that student body might need is absurd. The truth is that there are elements of collective action as well as sheer luck that have contributed to anyone's wealth. Anyone who believes that they "built [xxx] by themselves" is delusional. I realize that there are people right here on SI (gosh, who could believe it?!) that think that, and that derided Obama for his "They didn't build that" statement by taking it completely out of context (as some who read this may do), but it is the simple truth. And that is what schools all over the country recognize when they give students aid based on need.