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To: koan who wrote (763391)	1/12/2014 2:34:15 PM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 1573215

lololol so now you are for manifest destiny, doesn't that piss off your hispanic friends in new mexico, AZ, south cal etc ? you don't have a clue do you

To: koan who wrote (763391)	1/12/2014 2:44:31 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573215

You didn't name one. I did much better. I gave the category that includes thousands. But you want one specific one. OK Rome. Which lasted as an independent civilization between almost a thousand years and over 2200 years depending on how you treat pre-republic Rome and Byzantium. Name one where Habeas corpus and the freedom of the individual was guaranteed. And if I did would add another qualification? Habeas corpus is important, but off topic. We're talking about societies holding together, not what sorts of rights they have. Habeas corpus is irrelevant to this discussion. Also its not an aspect of democracy, its a particular setup to protect liberty. You could protect liberty in other ways, and in a system other than a democracy, and you can, and have had democracies without Habeas corpus rights. But all of that is besides the point. Societies can, and numerous times have, held together without democracy. And society is not the same thing as democracy. You keep wanting to disagree with those points, but you don't actually make any argument against them. You just call them ridiculous and then bring in some other issue like Habeas corpus. In fact even society holding together was initially another issue you brought in rather than addressing the real point about society not equaling government. I was willing to address that as well, but not an endless series of digressions from the actual point under consideration.