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To: average joe who wrote (44818)	1/14/2014 12:06:53 AM
From: 2MAR$	1 Recommendation Recommended By Solon Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 69300

In the Eucharist they are really indentifying the body as spirit, which it is in fact, for beyond any metaphor, the body is where all the energies are. But leave it to the men in robes to complicate things to pretend to be speaking of "something else" but this is all unecessary "mystery speak" just to keep mythic metaphors held together. If the body is the temple of the soul, here we are back to the body again and the mind/body/spirit problem is really no problem, all is the same thing. Speaking of spirit is not adding anything real, we are always led back to the body when one peers past the mumbo jumbo. ( brummys physical resurrection nonsense) There are the purer material elements of water & light, the latter being the most etherial of the material universe, light is life, light illuminates, light is energy. Even those dear men in robes seriously began to realize in essence they were seeing God in the streaming light down thru the Cathedral stained glass windows. Well keep it simple stupid, they finally got the real part right. Light is life & light is one of the supreme causes and the the source of everything we call life on this planet ( and sustains the body) Goethe's final words: "More Light."....(light is the ultimate metaphor, try living without it) meme Ever since we crawled out of that primordial slime, that's been our unifying cry, "More Light." SunLight. TorchLight. CandleLight. Neon, incandescent Lights that banish the darkness from our caves to illuminate our road, the insides of our refrigerators. Big floods for the night games at Soldier's Field. Little tiny flashLights for those books we read under the covers when we're supposed to be asleep. Light is more than watts and footcandles. Light is metaphor... Thy Word is a Lamp unto my Feet... /Amy Grant/ ...Rage rage against the dying of the Light. ...Lead, kindly light, amid the circling gloom, Lead thou me on; The night is dark, and I am far from home; Lead thou me on. Arise, shine, for thy light has come. ... Light is knowledge, Light is life, Light is Light!

To: average joe who wrote (44818)	1/14/2014 6:19:44 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

Yes, indeed! A supernatural food--verily the real flesh and blood of Jesus! What idiots! My mockery was in terms of the glib and entirely thoughtless and ignorant remark of Brumar. "I consider it a symbol"--A remark completely clueless about what that symbol means and the primitive history which informs its usage in Christian supernaturalism. AIEEEEE!

To: average joe who wrote (44818)	1/14/2014 6:39:39 PM
From: Solon	Respond to of 69300

Who knows better than the Catholic Church. Their best scholars have spent millions and millions of words interpreting Christianity and what it means. The Church's Magna Charta, however, are the words of Institution, "This is my body — this is my blood", whose literal meaning she has uninterruptedly adhered to from the earliest times. The Real Presence is evinced, positively, by showing the necessity of the literal sense of these words, and negatively, by refuting the figurative interpretations. As regards the first, the very existence of four distinct narratives of the Last Supper, divided usually into the Petrine ( Matthew 26:26 sqq.; Mark 14:22 sqq.) and the double Pauline accounts ( Luke 22:19 sq.; 1 Corinthians 11:24 sq.), favors the literal interpretation. In spite of their striking unanimity as regards essentials, the Petrine account is simpler and clearer, whereas Pauline is richer in additional details and more involved in its citation of the words that refer to the Chalice. It is but natural and justifiable to expect that, when four different narrators in different countries and at different times relate the words of Institution to different circles of readers, the occurrence of an unusual figure of speech, as, for instance, that bread is a sign of Christ's Body, would, somewhere or other, betray itself, either in the difference of word-setting, or in the unequivocal expression of the meaning really intended, or at least in the addition of some such mark as: "He spoke, however, of the sign of His Body." But nowhere do we discover the slightest ground for a figurative interpretation. If, then, natural, literal interpretation were false, the Scriptural record alone would have to be considered as the cause of a pernicious error in faith and of the grievous crime of rendering Divine homage to bread (artolatria) — a supposition little in harmony with the character of the four Sacred Writers or with the inspiration of the Sacred Text. Moreover, we must not omit the important circumstance, that one of the four narrators has interpreted his own account literally. This is St. Paul ( 1 Corinthians 11:27 sq.), who, in the most vigorous language, brands the unworthy recipient as "guilty of body and of the blood of the Lord". There can be no question of a grievous offense against Christ Himself unless we suppose that the true Body and the true Blood of Christ are really present in the Eucharist. Further, if we attend only to the words themselves their natural sense is so forceful and clear that Luther wrote to the Christians of Strasburg in 1524: "I am caught, I cannot escape, the text is too forcible" (De Wette, II, 577).