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To: koan who wrote (764195)	1/16/2014 12:40:53 PM
From: longnshort	2 Recommendations Recommended By joseffy TideGlider Respond to of 1573712

Norwegian bay froze so quickly -- fish swimming in it froze solid!

To: koan who wrote (764195)	1/16/2014 5:23:04 PM
From: Bilow	Respond to of 1573712

Hi koan; Re: "Come on AGW is partly responsible-lol? That is such a weasel word and does not make sense statistically."; You don't know enough about climate to justify your opinions. Here, look at the chart published yesterday in Nature. Remember those years when temperatures were rising so rapidly that CAGW was scaring the pants off of politicians? Those happened to be the years the PDO was on an up swing. And now that the PDO has reversed to a down swing temperatures stalled out. The implication is that about half the temperature rise of the 1980s and 1990s was caused by the PDO and about half was caused by CO2. That's where "partly responsible" comes from. Here, look at the chart for yourself: You're not in position to deny the above graph. You're not a climate scientist. The above was published in the very prestigious peer-reviewed journal Nature. And it's not old news, it was published yesterday: Climate Change: The Case of the Missing Heat Jeff Tollefson, Nature, Volume 505, Issue 7483, January 15, 2014 nature.com -- Carl P.S. Of course this is old news to the skeptic crowd. For 20 years they've been telling you that the PDO was the cause of the a major part of the fast temperature rise of the 1980s and 1990s. But no, you ignored those arguments. The reason you ignored those arguments is because the CAGW crap fufilled your leftist politcal beliefs. Now take another look at the above chart. You can see that according to the cycle we're on, the pause is likely to last another 30 years. And by 30 years from now we'll probably be running out of fossil fuels and the whole problem of "stop the CO2 emissions" becomes moot.

To: koan who wrote (764195)	1/16/2014 6:07:32 PM
From: Bilow	1 Recommendation Recommended By miraje Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1573712

Hi koan; Re: "If this AGW manifests into a full blown Permian Age event, it will be really dangerous and that possibility is real!"; If monkeys fly out of our asses that will be really dangerous and the possibility is about as real as a "full blown Permian Age event", LOL. What you're doing is speculating. Hey, I can find you a peer reviewed article stating that our CO2 emissions are stopping the onset of the next ice age. And an ice age will kill a hell of a lot more humans than 2 degrees C of warming. Re: "In addition you don't think flooding millions of people out of their homes is dangerous?"; People drinking and driving is dangerous and, like the flooding, it has nothing to do with CO2. If you think it does, then you go find the peer reviewed articles that prove it. Meanwhile, I'll show you the peer reviewed articles that say that there is no link. Which do you believe? That's a matter of politics. Re: "You don't think the massive amount of new powerful hurricanes is dangerous?"; You're a little late on this one. The idea that global warming would cause an increase in storms is so 1990s, LOL. A recent dearth of hurricanes and tornados has killed this meme. Again, you're diverging from the peer reviewed literature. Instead of quoting science, you're quoting speculation. Re: "You don't think the melting of the arctic ice cap is dangerous. We have lost half of it in just the last 40 years."; These things change with the PDO. See my previous post for the chart. Forty years ago was 1973. Back then the articles about the polar ice was that it was growing and we were starting a new ice age. And 40 years before that the arctic was in another warm spell and newspapers had articles about how the ice cap was melting. Those years, around the 2nd world war, was when the Germans sent the warship Komet through the Arctic Ocean to the Pacific, along the USSR's north coast (See en.wikipedia.org ) Re: "Why do you downplay this stuff? What is your motivation? "; I'm not "downplaying" it. You're "upplaying". And your motivation is that you're another leftist moron who believes that technology is an evil thing that must be fought with every tool possible. If it were up to you we'd still be living in caves. I don't want to live in a cave so I push back against you. And if you think what I'm doing now is having an effect, you should wait a couple years, LOL. Re: "Extreme weather events have risen dramatically in the last 40 years and killed thousands."; Let me rewrite your statement so that it's correct: Extreme weather events have always existed on the earth. In the last 40 years they have killed thousands. Before, then, they also killed thousands as any moron can determine by using google. If you want to decrease the number of people killed in storms you need to improve weather forecasting, construction standards and nowadays in the US at least, you need to figure out a way of getting people to obey the authorities. -- Carl