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To: Thomas A Watson who wrote (46272)

1/19/2014 5:04:53 PM

From: Maurice Winn

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That could explain what I noticed back in 2007 which was a pattern hundreds of years long in sun-spot cycles leading to a low this cycle of exactly what it has turned out to be. <Abstract. Solar activity changes with time in a cyclic pattern. The origin of those changes may be caused by planetary motion around the Sun, affecting the position of the Sun's motion with respect to the centre of mass and subjecting the Sun to changes in angular momentum and gravitational tidal forces. With modern achievements, this multi-body problem can now be addressed in a constructive way. Indeed, there are multiple criteria suggesting that the solar variability is driven by a planetary beat also affecting a number of terrestrial variables: 14C and 10Be production, Earth's rotation, ocean circulation, paleoclimate, geomagnetism, etc. The centennial changes between grand solar maxima and minima imply that we will soon be in a new solar minimum and, in analogy with past events, probably also in Little Ice Age climatic conditions.>

It seemed that the gravitational effects of the planets on the sun would be too tiny to have an effect on the sun's activity, but admittedly I did not calculate that effect. Let's see what the planetary masses are. Here they are [thank you Google, NASA and the miracle of Cyberspace] smartconversion.com

Mass of the Planets and the Sun

RankNameMass (kg)

1	Sun	1.9891 x 1030
2	Jupiter	1.8986 x 1027
3	Saturn	5.6846 x 1026
4	Neptune	10.243 x 1025
5	Uranus	8.6810 x 1025
6	Earth	5.9736 x 1024
7	Venus	4.8685 x 1024
8	Mars	6.4185 x 1023
9	Mercury	3.3022 x 1023
10	Moon	7.349 x 1022
11	Pluto	1.25 x 1022

Jupiter, Saturn and Neptune are big enough to cause some slight tidal force on the sun which would cause gravitational rhythms as they align and go in opposition. So perhaps that does the job.

Orbital periods:

Jupiter	11.86	1.092	398.9
Saturn	29.46	1.035	378.1
Uranus	84.01	1.012	369.7
Neptune	164.8

Jupiter 11 years, Saturn 30 years, Uranus 84 years, Neptune 164 years. Being a lot closer, maybe Earth, Mars and Venus should be in the calculation too even though they are relatively tiny. But their orbital periods are so short that they won't have an effect on solar cycles of hundreds of years. Uranus, Saturn and Neptune are long enough that they fit within the sunspot cycle we are considering so could be the cause. But maybe asteroid cycles are in the mix too, with megatons of cosmic debris being dragged into the sun every now and then. Or some other cycles, including internal cycles of the sun itself.

Mqurice

To: Thomas A Watson who wrote (46272)	1/20/2014 11:26:15 AM
From: Wharf Rat	1 Recommendation Recommended By Eric Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 86356

"N.-A. Mörner" Axle the Dowser? Can't remember when somebody was desperate enuf to mention him. You are a trip. Nils-Axel Mörner Credentials Ph.D., Geology, (1969). [1], [2] BackgroundMörner is a retired professor from the University of Stockholm where he was the head of the Paleogeophysics and Geodynamics department from 1991 to 2005. [1], [3] Mörner claims to be an expert in "dowsing," the practice of finding water, metals, gemstones etc. through the use of a Y-shaped twig. Mörner's attempt to prove his dowsing abilities is chronicled by James Randi, [4] the well-known myth buster, who has offered the longstanding One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge. According to a search of 22,000 academic journals, Mörner has published 65+ original research papers in peer-reviewed journals, mainly in the area of paleoseismicity, in other words the study of historical earthquake activity. Mörner has also published The Greatest Lie Ever Told (Which does not appear to be peer-reviewed) that sets out to refute the idea of catastrophic sea level rise. desmogblog.com