To: one_less who wrote (765491 ) 1/24/2014 11:54:37 AM From: koan Respond to of 1576378 <<Ehhh... why does your logic change in the last example? Society wants to control number of bullets, size of gun, number of guns, open carry, where to carry...etc>> It didn't fit because one issue is a dilemma and one issue is a problem. <<There have been over 57 million legally induced abortions in the US. The usual argument against denying rape victims or victims of incest the availablitity of a legal abortion, which gets regurgitated when the issue is debated, are not even statistically significant in this. The reality is, people want to have a personal choice not infringed upon by the government (regardless of the opinions of those not involved personally in that choice).>> Why it doesn't fit. The above is a dilemma. In a dilemma there is no logical solution, only a decision. And society has made that decision i.e Roe versus Wade. <<There are also significant statistics showing justified homicides are the result of a gun owner protecting themselves or others and countless accounts of gun owners stopping a crime which could have turned violent but didn't because of the presence of a gun owner. Still it is a personal choice, and one which has foundational merit and far reaching implication to the success of America, which are guaranteed against government infringement.>> This a problem that can be solved, not a dilemma, by getting rid of guns. Japan has almost no guns and I think less than 10 or so gun deaths a year. If you make it a (jail) crime to own a hand gun in the city, or across the country, before you know it, the hand guns will disappear and gun violence will be greatly reduced. If someone knows owning a hand gun will lead to jail they will turn them in so fast and even criminals will avoid them. You can allow hunting rifles, but they cannot be hidden so easily <<Ehhh... why does your logic change in the last example? Society wants to control number of bullets, size of gun, number of guns, open carry, where to carry...etc >>