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To: Bilow who wrote (46731)

1/25/2014 6:01:36 PM

From: Thomas A Watson

Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 86356

Bilow, my reading of you post is that your opinion is that the paper of GERHARD GERLICH, RALF D. TSCHEUSCHNER is junk. I would love to understand what analysis leads you to that conclusion. I do believe we both consider rat to be not ready for prime or any time.

This is the full listing of what I know of as Peer Reviewed articles.
It seem the PDF links from IJMP are not simply available.

However the GERHARD GERLICH, RALF D. TSCHEUSCHNER papers are available from.
arxiv.org reply to Halpern comments.
toms.homeip.net is the original.

I see no junk from GERHARD GERLICH, RALF D. TSCHEUSCHNER, only percise definitions and expanations of what physics is and what making it up is.

FALSIFICATION OF THE ATMOSPHERIC CO2 GREENHOUSE EFFECTS WITHIN THE FRAME OF PHYSICS
GERHARD GERLICH, RALF D. TSCHEUSCHNER
International Journal of Modern Physics B Vol. 23, No. 03, pp. 275-364
Abstract | References | PDF (1714 KB) | PDF Plus (1359 KB)

COMMENT ON "FALSIFICATION OF THE ATMOSPHERIC CO2 GREENHOUSE EFFECTS WITHIN THE FRAME OF PHYSICS"
JOSHUA B. HALPERN, CHRISTOPHER M. COLOSE, CHRIS HO-STUART, JOEL D. SHORE, ARTHUR P. SMITH, JÖRG ZIMMERMANN
International Journal of Modern Physics B Vol. 24, No. 10, pp. 1309-1332
Abstract | References | PDF (833 KB) | PDF Plus (544 KB)

REPLY TO "COMMENT ON 'FALSIFICATION OF THE ATMOSPHERIC CO2 GREENHOUSE EFFECTS WITHIN THE FRAME OF PHYSICS' BY JOSHUA B. HALPERN, CHRISTOPHER M. COLOSE, CHRIS HO-STUART, JOEL D. SHORE, ARTHUR P. SMITH, JÖRG ZIMMERMANN"
GERHARD GERLICH, RALF D. TSCHEUSCHNER
International Journal of Modern Physics B Vol. 24, No. 10, pp. 1333-1359
Abstract | References | PDF (712 KB) | PDF Plus (721 KB)

To: Bilow who wrote (46731)	1/25/2014 11:12:58 PM
From: Wharf Rat	1 Recommendation Recommended By Eric Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 86356

" Do you bother to check any of the "facts" you bring to us?" Yes; you prolly missed these. Jochen Ebel has posted the most complete refutation, line by line, in German (PDF). Arthur Smith has destroyed G&Ts argument about average temperature in arXiv. Much stuff in Rabett Run: here and here and here and here and here. Atmoz article here. Discussion thread at UK Weather World. And of course the definitive RealClimate." == 111 January 25th, 2008 12:56 am Raypierre kicks it off: Dear Mr. Morano, You can obfuscate all you want, but you can’t hide from the fact that we have been going at this for nearly two weeks now and none of the skeptics we have discussed so far have established a credible publication record for the ideas that qualify them as skeptics in your eyes. Whatever these ideas are, they evidently can’t stand up to the same kind of scrutiny that the ideas in the IPCC report have been subjected to. Today I’m in a good mood, so I’ll give you a twofer: Gerhard Gerlich and Ralf D. Tscheuschner . Neither of these physicists has produced a single peer-reviewed paper bearing on any aspect of climate science, or even on the radiative physics underpinning climate science. The two links you provide in fact point to the same paper. What you seem to be unaware of is that this paper has not been published in any journal. It appears only in the unreviewed ArXiv arxiv.org repository of manuscripts. This repository has no screening whatsoever as to the the content of the papers posted. Indeed, a look at the paper by anybody who has even a nodding acquaintance with radiation physics shows why they wouldn’t dare subject it to peer review. About 40 pages of this 90 page opus is in fact devoted to discussing the well-known flaws in the glass-greenhouse analogy sometimes used in simplified explanations of the phenomenon. These flaws have no bearing whatever on the manner in which the greenhouse effect is actually computed in climate models. The rest of the paper is simply bad physics; in fact, if they were right, not only would there be no anthropogenic greenhouse effect, there would be no greenhouse effect at all! They’ve proved too much! The Earth would be a solid ball of ice, and Venus would be 400 degrees colder than it is. And, as an aside, infrared weather satellites wouldn’t work either. Since the work was never published, it of course has never been discussed in the peer reviewed literature. The obvious flaws in the paper cannot be discussed easily in a comment box, but for a good general guide to the junk physics in this paper I refer the reader to Eli Rabett’s discussion at: http://www.inblogs.net/rabett/2007_10_01_archive.html Message 29345967 = Eli also provides links to other discussions of the paper. But if you don’t believe these discussions, or can’t follow them, just think of this: If Gerlich and Tscheuschner were right, they’d publish their ideas in a peer-reviewed journal. They have every reason to. They’d become instantly famous, and no doubt win the Nobel Prize in physics for such a revolutionary overturning of everything known about energy balance of planets (and stars, too, for that matter). — Posted by Raymond T. Pierrehumbert rabett.blogspot.com Raymond T. Pierrehumbert is Louis Block Professor in Geophysical Sciences at the University of Chicago. He was a lead author on the IPCC Third Assessment Report, and a co-author of the National Research Council report on abrupt climate change Message 29346410