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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (46844)	1/27/2014 12:41:52 PM
From: Eric	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 86350

Looks like a nice microburst.

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (46844)	1/27/2014 1:01:25 PM
From: Thomas A Watson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 86350

A victory for Truth, Justice, and the American Way... in NZ I did not get the NZ part but posting pics of your friend is A victory for Truth, Justice, and the American Way. image from Message 29354092 Wharf Rat. The fi

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (46844)	1/27/2014 4:11:27 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Respond to of 86350

Thanks for that Wharfie. I had missed it. Don't worry about the NZ taxpayer. NIWA blows through money in the tens of $millions and government goes through $billions a month on wastrel projects. Blaming the victim is common these days, expecting them to pay costs that the dopey authorities incur because the authorities choose to do so. A case that's current right now is the $100,000 cost of investigating the Auckland mayor Len Brown. The council is expecting him to pay the bill. That's absurd. While I can't stand him or his policies and he's a hypocrite and a crook, the dopey voters elected him, despite him and his policies being known, and chose to spend a fortune on investigating him, which if I was on the council I could have done without blowing through $100,000 on expensive lawyers. And anyway, no investigation was needed to speak of. It was a question of checking who paid the bills for his hotel trysts with his China Girl lover and his sneaky trip to Hong Kong. Len should not have to pay that absurd bill. In the case of NIWA being awarded costs, it's good that the taxpayers have their hirelings challenged and kept on the straight and narrow. The community-minded coalition was willing to spend their own money on ensuring government employees were behaving correctly [near enough for government work as the judge said]. The judge is presumably in favour of Global Alarmists, raising the matter of judicial bias. He found reading the arguments tedious, poor dear. A judge apparently shouldn't have to read tedious things. He should only have to read things he likes to read, such as Alarmist guff. Tedious could perhaps more accurately be called complete. If it was too brief, he would have thrown it out as being incomplete and inadequate. To judge lead in petrol issues, I read many kilograms of information and found that in fact lead should NOT have been included in petrol. I suppose I could have simply declared it tedious and not bothered, but I wanted to get to the facts rather than stop at a misleading Executive Summary. It would be interesting to know Justice Venning's position on climate change, just for the record. The NIWA scientist is not shy about being a psychologist, but he obviously doesn't know about "projection", which means he and the Global Alarmists are suffering epistemic closure and bubble thinking: <Renowden says the court ruling won't chasten them. "I think the psychological term is 'epistemic closure'. What it means is that they have created for themselves a sort of reality bubble, in which they can only approach the issue from their own pre-established conception of what the issues are."He says the other day he came across the concept of the face bubble on Facebook - that people on Facebook live in their own bubble of friends and acquaintances - and thinks this is true of the sceptic web. "Because there are hundreds of these websites around the world and inside that bubble climate change isn't happening, the fact that the Arctic ice has melted is not important." Wratt says it is hard to know how much damage sceptics have done in sidetracking the debate, because so much of their information circulates on the internet "and I think a lot of that is self-referential. You know, a whole lot of people that agree on something kind of just reading each other's blogs and essentially confirming their own views. I'm not sure how much that stuff really influences outside opinion."> Indeed, a whole lot of people that agree on Global Alarmism kind of just read each other's blogs and essentially confirm their own views. I have had brief dealings with NIWA and read their guff. They are in a little bubble of opm-funded self-belief. They made absurd claims about the number of deaths from diesel exhaust for example. They live in lovely offices in Khyber Pass, just where there is more traffic than anywhere, finding, [hardly surprising], that at rush hour, the air is measurably less pristine than when it arrives from Antarctica. They are epistemically closed and bubble-headed. But there were fair points by NIWA as written in the judge's writing. <Dr Wratt similarly explains why NIWA does not accept that the temperatures recorded at Kelburn weather station were contaminated during the review. He points out the plaintiff incorrectly asserts that “NIWA makes no mention of any urbanisation or sheltering issues in their document” for Wellington. Information from station histories regarding sheltering is specifically discussed in the review. However the NIWA research team found no evidence for a significant shelter related change and considered there to be no indication of the gradual non-climatic factors claimed by Mr Dunleavy> I'm inclined to agree with NIWA on Kelburn's location. South westerlies from the deep south Tasman Sea come barreling through to Kelburn, with no heat island effects to speak of at Kelburn. Wellington has grown enormously, but the heat heads in the other direction nearly all the time. But wait - here is some analysis and it's worse than I imagined: wattsupwiththat.com The car park would cause an increase on sunny days when there is a bit of wind from the east. Wellington is windy, but there are some days which are still, and easterly. The judge's ruling pretty much says that NIWA are number 8 fencing wire local yokels having a go at doing a decent job on local temperature measurement, near enough for government work. Because the plaintiffs were not experts, their opinions could be safely ignored. So it was a bit of a one-way street in favour of NIWA. Anyway, it wasn't up to him, he said, to have an opinion on the scientific stuff. So he pretty much washed his hands of the issue having found it was all near-enough for government work, which is quite different from giving NIWA a clean bill of health. Unfortunately, the Global Alarmist theory and NIWA's contribution to that false theory, are the basis for the expensive Cap and Trade scam to which NZ has subscribed. Making big decisions on false premises is a bad idea. Don't worry about NIWA employees being distracted from their tax-payer funded work. They are enjoying a very cushy number and won't have been unduly taxed. It's the tax-payers paying them who are unduly taxed. Mqurice