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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (9896)	12/11/1997 11:06:00 AM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Emile, I am sure you will find no dispute with this in anyone. And I am almost positive no lurker, member of SI, or current participant in this thread is a serious student of the Talmud, devoted to whatever incessant daily ritual it involves. Therefore, to speak against something dreamed up by someone, separate from the Old Testament, should not offend anyone. But, you just never know. Lurkers can and will find any thing. BUT AGAIN. Anything within the Talmud, taken verbatim from the Old Testament, I will accept as the pure truth since it will be that if taken verbatim from the Old Testament. I have asked you several times now to pull the specific things that started all this, and there is no discussion of particulars, just the word Talmud.. I suppose the very best thing would be for me to get the Talmud and read it myself. Again, I had a very bad personal experience with a similar separate plane of reality, and again, not too long ago in Eureka, CA, when I had met a divinely inspiring teen age spirit filled boy at a donut shop in Portland, and the experience left me on clouds that there could be such a spirit-filled boy anywhere in America, and one with such a seeming godly destiny. His name was MOHAMMED, and he was pur e blooded Lebanesian, and his mother is a strict catholic and his father is a strictest of Islamic, and we were discussing his position between the two, loving them both. His knowledge and understanding of Christ was like an unreal experience for me anyway. The kid was 16! But he kept pleading with me to understand that the ISlam faith was not pagan. That they all believed this and that and waited for Jesus to come back. I'm thinking--OH SURE! So I get the Koran, not edited, but original version, and see all these weird names and go to the glossary and find out the word MUSA all through the Koran is Moses. Jesus's name I forget, and basically I was reading the old testament except all together different. Point? Not less than a month before I had been almost stoned to death verbally before a hail of abuse from a pot-luck group of my closest brethren because I mentioned Mohammad and prayed a prayer that I asked them to join me in and dared to not qualify the sentence, "And Lord, most of all I pray for precious Mohammed. INdeed he is a bridge." I leave for a minute and come back and all heads have gone together and decided that I was praying that the 7th century Mohammed was a bridge to Christ, or something, and suddenly I have eight people screaming above each other that I am deceived and ALL ISLAMICS WORSHIP THE EGYPTIAN MOON GODESS> IT'S IN THEIR FLAG!!!! So, Emile, nothing works like looking for yourself. The Islamics are high on my priority list, and hope to spend more time praying for the situation before I find myself on a chopping block about to lose my neck because I believe in a pagan concept of Jesus as the only God in Heaven, when the Islamics know full well, probably more than we do, that there is ONE WHO SITS ON THE THRONE. The problem: they think ever one else is a traitor pagan to the God of Abraham, and if you don't believe it, look for yourself. It is not that clean and pure a problem, but so close it is literally pathetic. More than pathetic. The English language begs for adjective. Anyway, that is another theological WWIII and I'm still in the dispensary from the last one. But healing nicely. :)

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (9896)	12/11/1997 10:16:00 PM
From: rharris	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Enough!!! Matthew 5:17-19 "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the Law, until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and so teaches others, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." God is God. He did not change, does not change and will not change his love for his people. Jesus originally came "only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matt. 15:24). The Messiah (Yeshua) is the glory of Israel and a light to the Gentiles. HE came for the Jews and later in His ministry he expanded to the Gentiles. When a Canaanite woman came to Jesus needing help for her daughter, he initially did not answer her, but she was persistent and he said " It is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs. But she said "Yes Lord, but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from the master's table. Then Jesus answered her and said to her, O woman, your faith is great; be it done for you as you wish." And her daughter was healed at once.(Matt. 15:26-28). I'm not saying the Jews are better than Gentiles, but rather than spewing the negativity that you are showing towards Jews please look back to the source and rethink your opinions. p.s. last time I looked, heaven and earth have not passed away. Richard This was