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To: bruwin who wrote (243283)	1/29/2014 2:01:26 AM
From: bentway	Respond to of 541582

My beef with the very wealthy, like Mitt Romney? They get most of their income through investments, and pay a much lower tax rate than people that WORK for a living. That's just not fair.

To: bruwin who wrote (243283)	1/29/2014 3:55:55 AM
From: koan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541582

<< P.P.S Needless to say, anyone may have their own opinion regarding my above comments ... and that's as it should be. However, I'm saying, up front, that I don't intend replying to any approaches from anyone. I just wanted to express my own observations and opinion .... feel free to express yours. >. Of course you have no intention of replying to any approaches from anyone. What you post is totally devoid of any understanding of the role of society, or social science. Therefore you would look silly trying to defend it. <<It's almost as if someone, who has got rich, has to be, somehow, ashamed of that fact !!!>> It has nothing whatsoever to do with that!!! It has to do with the role of maintaining a healthy society.

To: bruwin who wrote (243283)	1/29/2014 3:59:17 AM
From: Metacomet	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541582

This is unacceptable, unsustainable...and will be corrected.. Probably be better for the pigs it it happens sooner rather than later..

To: bruwin who wrote (243283)	1/29/2014 11:19:05 AM
From: Wharf Rat	Respond to of 541582

I don't mind addressing drive-by trolls. "It's almost as if someone, who has got rich, has to be, somehow, ashamed of that fact !!!"} The way I see it, it's almost as if some who have become rich have to be ashamed of contributing to the country and the employees who made them rich; they didn't do it on their own. Thus, the Waltons are ashamed to pay a living wage, least the McDonald-Krocs and Kochs laugh at them during polo matches. Wouldn't do for the Waltons to only be worth as much as the bottom 35%; no, even matching the bottom 40% isn't good enuf.. If Willard wasn't ashamed, he would have claimed the full deduction he was entitled to. Now that the election is over, he's prolly amended his taxes to get more money he can stash in the Caymans. Too bad he was already caught with blueberry pie on his face. Romney Forgoes Full Charity Tax Break for 13% 2011 Rate Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney chose to pay more in taxes than he needed to, forgoing about $250,000 in deductions to keep his tax rate above 13 percent. Romney claimed tax deductions for $2.25 million of the $4 million he made in charitable contributions in 2011, his campaign said yesterday before releasing his tax returns. The decision to pay more in taxes than necessary was political. Romney had told reporters that he hadn’t paid an effective rate of less than 13 percent over the past decade, in an effort to deflect Democratic attacks. “It’s almost like he’s conceding, ‘Hey, no one’s going to want to see me go less than that 13 percent rate so I’m going to massage my deductions and actually forsake some of them to placate the American public,’” said Tony Nitti, a partner at WithumSmith & Brown PC in Aspen, Colorado, who prepares returns for high-income taxpayers. “I don’t know if it will placate anybody. The people who have issues with his tax rate are still going to have issues with his tax rate.” bloomberg.com

To: bruwin who wrote (243283)	1/29/2014 11:24:41 AM
From: JohnM	Respond to of 541582

I don't know about you, but it kind of galls me when I see and read of folk who find some need to "protest" against those who are wealthy, and also have this ongoing reference and dreary debate about that "ever widening income gap" !! I can't tell from this piece just how serious you are but, assuming you are, here are a couple or three quick thoughts. 1. The "wealthy" often try to frame the issue as one about "shame" but it misses the point. It's rather about the kind of society we want to have and what patterns of inequality foster/inhibit it. The general preferred notion is that the best society is one with a flourishing and growing middle class, with strong connections to political power, and the strongest possible avenues of upward mobility into it and upward out of it. Growing inequality of income and wealth, of the sort we now see, diminishes that. Evidence abounds to support that argument. 2. If you have in mind de Blasio's proposals to tax the very wealthiest New Yorkers to pay for early education for kids, then it's something specific to discuss--whether to do it, whether doing so improves the lives of the poor by offering more opportunity, and whether a tax on the wealthy is the best way to pay for it. I'm a big supporter of de Blasio's proposals because I think early childhood education works, is tax dollars extremely well spent, and because the wealthy have grown much more wealthy in recent years and can best afford to provide the tax dollars for such. 3. Rumbling around in all of this is one's conception of the role of government in fostering a "good" society.

To: bruwin who wrote (243283)	1/29/2014 11:43:26 AM
From: Alex MG	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541582

you know what galls me? jerks like Willard Rmoney, who were born with a silver spoon in their mouth and don't have the balls to show their tax returns to the public because he's hiding his money in the Cayman Islands and Swiss bank accounts (tax-cheater) and then has the audacity to claim that 47% of the U.S. population are "moochers"... then proposes cutting taxes further on the wealthy because it will "trickle down" to those not born with a silver spoon up their ass you know what else galls me?... the number of people who voted for that phony jerk you know what else galls me?... people who whine that the wealthy are somehow being portrayed unfairly when there are hedge fund managers who pay themselves $1 BILLION in one year and then only pay 15% tax, if that much that's one thousand million dollars for one guy and his family, in just one year... how could anyone even ever spend that much money, and why do they deserve it?... look forward to generations of trust fund brats I don't see anyone claiming that people like Warren Buffet or Bill Gates should be ashamed of their wealth... I see people who don't mind paying taxes and don't mind their taxes going up if they are doing really well in order to support their fellow citizens who aren't doing as well... in other words, most people are not greedy selfish assholes But the right wingers actually want to cut taxes further on the wealthy and yet won't even consider raising the minimum wage... cut food stamps, cut child nutrition funding, cut cut cut social programs yet give more money to the wealthy... how pitiful is that?... if that doesn't gall you then you must be a fan of the queen of selfishness Ayn Rand I can see why you specify you won't be replying... because your argument sucks