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To: Greg or e who wrote (45845)	1/30/2014 6:36:02 PM
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Or believe in the afterlife (fear of death) which led to the Vatican's ordered anihilation & eradication of the pious & devout Cathars & Albigensians to a man, woman & child, for only choosing to not believe in blood drinking & body eating rituals, in every other way they were as Christian as you think you are. en.wikipedia.org "kill them all, let God sort it out" double edged sword it seems, so much material, so little time, how much death has this caused?

To: Greg or e who wrote (45845)	1/30/2014 6:47:51 PM
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Then lets add the final solution during the big plagues, instead of cleaning up the cities, they cleaned out the Jews because the plague was a God's punishment for their sins. Later these brainiacs figured out it must be the Jews so wiped them out too. From 1349 until about 1390, the Jewish communities of France, Germany and England almost disappeared completely. In 1350, Frankfurt had over 19,000 Jews. By 1400, not even 10 Jews were left. That typified the situation in many other communities throughout Western Europe Reasons for God’s Wrath, The Black Death jewishhistory.org Why should God be angry at Christian Europe? Some pointed to the corruption of the Church. Of course, the Church did not say that. It was impossible to preach such things in a sermon in church on Sunday morning. Others said God’s anger came as a result of the divisiveness that existed within Christian Europe. Indeed, England and France were fighting a war that would last 100 years. Germany and Italy and the papal states of Naples and Sicily were all at each other’s throats constantly. Europe was continually at war, which always included massacre, robbery and pillage. Consequently, the plague was seen as the great leveler, the vehicle to restore peace between the nations. Others said that the plague was the punishment for the Christians not pursuing the Crusades to the utmost, destroying the Muslims and evicting them from the Holy Land. By the 14th century, it was clear that the Christians had little if no chance of evicting the Muslims from Palestine. In fact, the entire idea of the crusades had waned. There were no more stalwarts for new crusades. After a short while, there arose a new idea among the European Christian masses why the Black Death was ravaging their land: because they allowed the Jews to live in their midst as Jews. This reason became widely accepted. Therefore, in many communities throughout Christian Europe the formula and prescription of saving the community from the plague lay in either converting, exiling or murdering the Jewish population. From 1349 until about 1390, the Jewish communities of France, Germany and England almost disappeared completely. In 1350, Frankfurt had over 19,000 Jews. By 1400, not even 10 Jews were left. That typified the situation in many other communities throughout Western Europe.

To: Greg or e who wrote (45845)	1/30/2014 7:07:43 PM
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You see , no matter how u slice the bannana, even when referring to "heaven", it is still rooted & grounded in a material context in the mind. Its a special place, territory, to inhabit or hold the keys to the kingdom too, it is a material reference. This isn't supernatural at all (tho you can pretend it is), its only taking from the basic big/small, this/that, far/near, sour/sweet, pleasure/pain, mine/yours, more/less, infront/behind , above/below, that we learn about the world from first gestation in our developing brains. There's no materialists or territorialists greater than the medieval Christians with a naturally set up noble class/peasantry relationship that we see based always on economic struggle & infighting wars . To call Marxist/Communists materialist atheists is to miss the point for they were only a direct opposite reaction to the imbalances & injustices that preceded them by the great "religionists" & that expression of materialism. The ideas of heaven & hell are still again rooted in the fabric of the mind,there's nothing being imagined here that isn't materialistic in its origin. You can pay all the lip service you like, the tortured truth is still the same material world men concieve of & fight over control of, no supernatural ever appears, not even in the "mind", which itself is only juggling symbols of the material world, places, territory & things. The mind only juggles concepts & ideas that are all already firmly rooted in what is material & empirical, welcome to the material world. You're not anywhere near escape velocity from real gravity in this lifetime kiddo, nor is Lane Craig doing anything but playing with himself, why he sounds so hollow when he speaks.