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Politics : Manmade Global Warming, A hoax? A Scam? or a Doomsday Cult? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Don Hurst who wrote (3696)	2/1/2014 4:20:46 AM
From: sense	12 Recommendations Recommended By d[-_-]b greenspirit Hannoverian J.B.C. Joe Btfsplk and 7 more members Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 4326

In real science, there's a fairly simple test you apply to any theory... 1. What predictions are made by the theory ? 2. Are the predictions realized ? It the predictions do pan out, then it is possible, but still not at all certain, that your theory might provide the reason, a reason, or a part of a reason, that explains why... or, it could just be coincidence. If the predictions don't pan out, then your theory is crap, and you scrap it, and start over... and you don't repeatedly "jiggle the numbers" trying to "fix" or "massage" your data trying it to make it work, to get it to fit what you want it to be, which is science fraud. You also don't lie about what IS being observed, to claim you ARE seeing the predictions you made pan out and be realized when you aren't, just because that proves your theory isn't working ? Real scientists accept the proofs in the results of experiments... without it causing a crisis in their system of beliefs ? Where we are now... is to the point of the "global warming scientists" continuing to claim THEY'RE right about their failed predictions of warming... an their models are OK... its the PLANET that is wrong ? Just the fact that you see "scientists" dedicated to "defending the theory" when observations show the predictions don't work... and see them focus on defending the idea, LONG after it has failed the basic tests that define science, instead of accepting they were wrong ? They predicted the climate would become warmer, and warmer, over the last 15 years... and the planet has NOT been getting warmer over that time. Instead, its been getting cooler. They were wrong. Their models are wrong. Their theory is wrong. They're wrong about the magnitude. They're wrong about the direction. They're wrong about the pattern. They're wrong about the timing. There is no other lesson to be learned from that, other than that... THEY'RE WRONG. All that means is that we (including they) don't understand how the climate works, what the drivers of variation are, and what the relationships between ACTUAL drivers (like the sun) and other things (like CO2) are... and we have more work to do to understand those things... But, they won't accept that... even though the data prove their predictions have failed, meaning they've been proven wrong... And, that means it isn't science that they're talking about... but a desperate brand of FAITH... in some other underlying idea... which the failure of their predictions also proves wrong. The climate does change. It always has. It always will. Climate change occurring... is proof that things are normal... not proof humans are responsible for causing changes... that have always and will always occur. That others insist on seeing actual proof of success in the predictions being made, and want to see those predictions ARE are panning out... before accepting the policy implications of theories that these science frauds are trying to foist on them... makes them rational... If the data showed the planet WAS getting warmer, over the last 15 years... that still might have just been coincidence... How lucky are we that instead of a result in coincidence... the planet is dramatically proving them wrong ? Since the data show the planet is NOT getting warmer in that time frame they'd predicted, and it has instead been cooling fairly dramatically, and is continuing to cool... that is a proof their theory is crap.

To: Don Hurst who wrote (3696)	2/1/2014 10:12:02 AM
From: weatherguru	Respond to of 4326

Thanks for sharing, Don. To me, this was a recap of the current flow for this winter. This pattern also existed from March through late May of 2013. Recall the OKC tornadoes in late May 2013, those unfortunate events EF5 tornadoes) were associated with the breakdown of the pattern as the southwest summer flow invaded the US. Furthermore, the set-up of this patter in mid-November resulted in the tornadoes in Illinois. Regarding the video, I didn't hear a "why" global warming leads to Arctic amplification. It still makes no sense to me how warming the Arctic leads to amplified weather patterns associated with stronger jet streams. It baffles me. I just don't agree. To me, this looks like cooling. As I mentioned, giving credence to low frequency patterns, such as the Arctic Oscillation, Pacific Decadal Oscillation, El Nino Southern Oscillation, and Pacific North American teleconnection pattern means...if they can offset the "warming" since 1998, then why ignore their role in the warming in the first place instead of just blaming on man and CO2? As Nature Magazine publishes, there has been no warming for the past 16 years. Something is offsetting the "warming from CO2", since CO2 is continuously increasing over the past 16 years. See the catch 22? I've given credence to Dr. Curry. Her question is will the Earth run out of negative feedback mechanisms? We'll see, but that takes time...decades. IMO from now to 2020 will be interesting, especially if we continue to gain sea-ice. We're due for an El Nino, which will warm the Earth and create less amplified jet streams. Then other scientists will come on and say how this is consistent with their predictions and that the Earth is getting sick and can't offset the warming anymore. Zzzzzzzz.

To: Don Hurst who wrote (3696)	2/1/2014 1:06:50 PM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 4326

EPA Administrator To Scientists: “Speak The Truth” On Global Warming To Meet Obama’s “Needs”… She’s basically giving them carte blanche to lie their asses off as long as it advances Obama’s agenda. Via CNS News: Gina McCarthy, administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), asked scientists at a climate change conference on Thursday in Arlington, Va., to helpadvance President Barack Obama’s agenda on climate change. ..... Politicization of science.

To: Don Hurst who wrote (3696)	2/8/2014 11:59:25 AM
From: longnshort	1 Recommendation Recommended By FJB Respond to of 4326

GREAT LAKES RECORD ICE COVER... Ice continued to build this past week on the Great Lakes due to the cold air and temperatures staying below freezing, and Lake Superior's new record shows it. The lake is 92 percent frozen, toppling a 20-year-old record of 91 percent set on Feb. 5, 1994. That statistic helped total Great Lakes ice cover soar, and we can expect to see more form in coming days. The air temperatures this past week averaged around five degrees below normal for the Great Lakes area. This amount of deviation from normal means it was a fairly cold week. As of February 5, 2014, the entire Great Lakes system is now reportedly covered 77 percent with ice, according to the Great Lakes Environmental Research Laboratory. Last week at this time the ice cover was 66 percent. The 77 percent ice cover now still lags behind 1994, when the entire Great Lakes system had an average ice cover of 84 percent on February 5. This data is according to Jia Wang, physical oceanographer at the Great Lakes Environmental Research Center in Ann Arbor, MI. Let's look at each individual lake. Lake Superior Lake Superior is almost frozen over as of yesterday February 5, 2014. Lake Superior is 92 percent covered with ice now. The ice has increased rapidly in the past week, from 76 percent ice cover on January 30, 2014. The high resolution satellite picture from February 3, 2014 shows all of the ice cover on Lake Superior. The current ice cover on Lake Superior is the highest amount ever for February 5. In 1994, Lake Superior was reportedly 91 percent covered in ice. Lake Michigan Lake Michigan is now 51 percent covered with ice, as opposed to 42 percent at this time last week. Coyotes were seen walking on the ice just offshore of Chicago this week. This makes us wonder if the lakes freeze over totally, will animals from Canada be able to cross over Lake Huron or Lake Superior, and enter Michigan. It is thought that this is how the last wolverine spotted in Michigan made it into Michigan. Lake Michigan has been covered with more ice on this date in the past. In 1977 and 1996, Lake Michigan was up to 74 percent ice covered. More: A first-hand look of ice on the Great Lakes from a U.S. Coast Guard Cutter Lake Huron Ice cover on Lake Huron rocketed up an additional 14 percent this week, climbing to a total ice cover of 86 percent. If the ice continues to build at that rate in this next week, Lake Huron could be almost frozen over, or frozen over by the end of next week. People ice fishing are reporting 24 inches of ice on Saginaw Bay near Bay City. Lake Huron has been as much at 95 percent covered in ice on this date back in 1981 and 1994. Lake Erie Lake Erie is the shallowest of the Great Lakes, with an average depth of 62 feet and a maximum depth of 210 feet. It also has the least volume of any Great Lake, with 116 cubic miles of water. So it should come as no surprise that Lake Erie currently has the highest percentage of ice cover. Lake Erie is 96 percent covered with ice. Last week at this time Lake Erie had 94 percent ice cover. Erie was entirely ice covered on February 5, 1996. Lake Ontario Lake Ontario is an interesting lake. It is the smallest Great Lake when it comes to surface area, but actually holds more than three times the amount of water when compared to Lake Erie. The average depth of Lake Ontario is 283 feet, making it the second deepest Great Lake behind Lake Superior. The deepest spot in Lake Ontario is 802 feet. The ice cover on Lake Ontario is the lowest of any of the Great Lakes, with only 32 percent covered in ice. Last week at this time, Lake Ontario had 27 percent ice cover. Lake Ontario has been covered with as much as 79 percent ice up to this point in the winter in 1994. Will ice continue to grow? The ice cover should continue to grow at a rapid rate based on temperatures expected in the next few weeks. You may not want to hear this, but I don't see several days in a row cracking the freezing mark until at least February 21. There could be a few hours above freezing late next week, but that won't slow the ice growth. Also, the weather pattern is going to be fairly quiet in the next two weeks. This means lower wind speeds around the Great Lakes, which should help accelerate ice cover growth. It is going to be close, but we may be living in a historic winter with regards to amount of Great Lakes ice. We will see some fascinating ice sculptures if we get a big wind that breaks the ice, and piles it up. We will also be fascinated when the ice has melted, and we see spring.