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To: JohnM who wrote (244224)	2/8/2014 3:01:43 PM
From: Steve Lokness	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541958

<<<< we are all clearly in the business of making judgments about moral claims.>>>>> Well sure we are - on an individual basis! There was a time in many cultures where slavery was completely accepted. The slaves here in America or the Native Americans here in America or the Vikings - just to name a few. To them this was NOT a question of morality. That of course changed. .............Same with abortion. John, at some point in the future (and I am strictly on the side of a woman's right to choose) abortion may be deemed immoral because of changing mores. They are changing all the time you know. Maybe not with the American slaves so much, but with other cultures that gradually moved away from slavery, those first fighters for a new way - a new morality - fought against the standard at the time. Were they wrong to do so? So with people fighting to make abortion illegal might they at some point in the future be on the winning side of morality? Perhaps. And those fighting against sending our standard of living bill to our children will they be on the winning side of morality? And those fighting now on the conservation of the specie by halting global warming - what level of morality is that? The point is John; morality is a people created thing (unless you believe in God). That morality changes. It is just how we conceive it and that people with a different morality than we possess are not evil - any more than the people who first argued against slavery were evil. I'm NOT making the claim that moral issues are the same. There is absolutely no way I can make that judgement - except maybe for global warming because it has the potential to destroy our specie. But to the individual they came be of the highest order. To the person making the claim that human life is sacred - for them - for the individual - theirs is the highest level in a sea or moral issues. ...........Sooooo, they vote that way.

To: JohnM who wrote (244224)	2/8/2014 9:03:40 PM
From: koan	Respond to of 541958

<<Once one cedes this notion, then we are all clearly in the business of making judgments about moral claims.>> That is kinda all there is. And why if one is comfortable with existentialism, they at least have an open door to walk through that leads in the right direction of being free to make the right choice for them i.e. it is a macro dilemma and all the individual and society can do, is make a decision. And the decision they make will be the right one. Steve talked about how the pro life folks have the moral high ground. No they don't, because they totally ignore the rights of the woman. In the end it really becomes a Sophie's choice between the woman and the fetus. A dilemma. No right or wrong, just a decision to be made by society and the individual.