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To: i-node who wrote (244261)	2/9/2014 3:00:16 AM
From: bentway	Respond to of 540630

The poster was against ALL abortions. As are many religious folk. They think somehow a HUMAN birth is miraculous, from conception.

To: i-node who wrote (244261)	2/9/2014 4:36:36 AM
From: Metacomet	Respond to of 540630

the "partial birth abortion" process, supported by organizations like Planned Parenthood and the DNC, Care to provide a link for this.. ..other than the obvious one......ie straight out of your butt

To: i-node who wrote (244261)	2/9/2014 8:23:14 AM
From: Alex MG	Respond to of 540630

"Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're fucked." "Once you leave the womb, conservatives don't care about you until you reach military age. Then you’re just what they’re looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers." "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." "Conservatives say if you don't give the rich more money, they will lose their incentive to invest. As for the poor, they tell us they've lost all incentive because we've given them too much money." "Have you ever wondered why Republicans are so interested in encouraging people to volunteer in their communities? It’s because volunteers work for no pay. Republicans have been trying to get people to work for no pay for a long time." "The difference between left and right of center...originated in the French parliament. The people left of center were liberals; the people right of center were conservatives. Broadly speaking. And generally speaking, people on...the right of center, are interested in property values, property, property rights. The rights and the rights of property. And generally speaking again – it's all generalized – the left-of-center people are more concerned with humans and human beings and human concerns; to the care of humans, not the care and worry about property rights. That's generally been true. And Bush is pushing this country farther down the hill, faster than anyone has before." "You know the good part about all those executions in Texas? Fewer Texans."

To: i-node who wrote (244261)	2/9/2014 9:10:19 AM
From: Sam	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 540630

Chris, do you believe that killing an infant shortly before it leaves the birth canal is a reasonable way of of controlling overpopulation? That is the kind of statement that we don't need to hear, because it is just a made up perspective on reality. It connects two ideas in ways that weren't connected by the poster. Thanks for reminding us of why people who say stuff like that get banned from this thread. And why getting into a discussion with you is utterly useless. As if we needed the reminder.

To: i-node who wrote (244261)	2/9/2014 9:42:17 AM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 540630

What would Jesus' mother have done, aside from not forcing her beliefs on others? Israel Offers Free Abortions To Women Between 20 And 33 Religion News Service \| by Michelle Chabin Posted: 01/07/2014 2:29 pm EST Updated: 01/23/2014 8:17 am EST JERUSALEM (RNS) A famously child-friendly country with a federally subsidized universal health care system that offers free fertility treatments, Israel has made it easier for economically distressed women to obtain an abortion. The 2014 “health basket” of medical services and medications approved by Israel’s cabinet Sunday (Jan. 5) includes free abortions for Israeli women aged 20 to 33, regardless of the circumstances. The $4.6 million earmarked by the Health Ministry committee will cover some 6,300 abortions for women who cannot afford the procedure. In 2013, almost 20,000 women received permission to abort from hospital termination committees, according to Efrat, an organization that encourages women considering abortion to have their babies. Until now, government-funded abortions have been reserved for women younger than 19 or older than 40, and in cases where the fetus has a severe defect, the mother’s life is endangered, or the pregnancy is a result of sexual abuse. If a woman believed the pregnancy would cause her harm, physically or emotionally, she had had to pay for the procedure herself. Ruth Tidhar, who heads Efrat’s assistance department, said that in a country like Israel, where mothers receive paid maternity leave and preschool education is heavily subsidized, “it gives a mixed message when contraceptives aren’t funded by the government while abortions are.” Judaism does not share the Roman Catholic belief that life begins at conception, but various Jewish streams have a range of opinions on the issue. The one thing most Jews agree on: That abortion is always permissible if the mother’s life is in danger. Rabbi David Stav, the head of Tzohar, a modern-Orthodox rabbinical organization, criticized the new abortion guidelines. In a TV interview on Arutz Sheva, Stav said it is “immoral” for the state to fund abortions that result from a mother’s “personal decisions” rather than serious medical problems. “The state (will be) allocating resources for personal decisions,” said Stav that are “forbidden by Jewish law.” huffingtonpost.com