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Politics : Manmade Global Warming, A hoax? A Scam? or a Doomsday Cult? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: weatherguru who wrote (3767)	2/12/2014 1:10:47 AM
From: sense	1 Recommendation Recommended By Hannoverian Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 4326

"I was wondering why the olympics are in Sochi, now I see why." I clicked on that link... and had to laugh... Being old, and as I lived near Squaw Valley back then... I often skied there in the years just after the Olympics... Given that experience, and having also skied in Vancouver, and Garmisch... ? "In fact, the new research found that several of the cites that have hosted Winter Olympics in the past — including Vancouver, British Columbia; Squaw Valley, Calif.; and Garmisch-Partenkirchen, Germany — will not be cold enough to host the Winter Games by mid-century, thanks to global warming." Ignoring the obvious flaw in their PREDICTIONS of conditions 50 years out... with no foundation established that allows them to claim or even pretend them to be valid ? What's being cited as evidence of global warming... appears to be to nothing other BS based on over-valuing skiers whining about snow conditions... while expecting they should naturally be perfect, all the time... instead of being naturally crappy a large portion of the time ? It's a variation on the theme that all variation is bad... rather than typical. Squaw Valley, in particular... was known as a crap venue for the Olympics when it was selected... at least it was known as that among anyone who'd had any experience skiing in other places, where snow conditions were typically better. The Olympians back then truly hated it, and complained about it bitterly... more when the foreigners lost to local boys (and girls) who skied in those crappy conditions all the time, and thought nothing of it. Our west coast snow... is wet and heavy... in a way that our interior continental snow isn't. That's no problem, if you grew up skiing in California... and are used to those conditions... etc. The problem, in the Vancouver games... and, I was there again, about the time of the games... is west coast snow... but, also the fact that you can predict when the games are going to be held...a lot better than you can predict the timing of snow events, or conditions that give quality snow, on the west coast. It was another "high risk" situation... and they were actually lucky to get snow when they did... that allowed the games to proceed. It's true that they probably shouldn't have Olympics there again, 50 years from now (unless, you know, the current pattern in global cooling is sustained) because they shouldn't ever have held those winter games there that they did ? That's not evidence of a problem with global warming... its evidence that politics and $$$ trumps climate in the site selection process... You solve that problem... by letting the athletes pick the venue... or at least, let them pick the list from which a selection will be made... Otherwise ? I've also been skiing, a couple of times (back in the day), in North Carolina. What the Olympians thought were "crap" conditions in Squaw Valley ? Squaw Valley looked like heaven... compared with North Carolina... where there wasn't any snow. Those boys there were "skiing" on 2 inches of ice... and I don't mean "crusty" or hard packed snow... but hills covered with a thin layer of transparent blue-grey stuff that would have been perfect for strapping on skates and playing hockey on, if, you know... it wasn't a steep slope. Skiing there was like tackle football practice on concrete. If you hadn't learned how to spread the impact of a fall in judo class... you'd come off the slopes limping, black and blue from routine falls... and without a helmet, with a concussion from anything accelerated. Of course, they might well have 36 inches of perfect powder there, this week ? But, then, pointing that out... just wouldn't fit in with the mantra of doom and gloom about how bad global warming is ? North Carolina better hurry and get in their bid for the 2018 games... or Georgia might beat them to it ?

To: weatherguru who wrote (3767)	2/12/2014 1:26:35 AM
From: sense	Respond to of 4326

Also, "It remains unclear how warmer temperatures could influence precipitation. Some recent research shows that because warmer air holds more moisture, climate change may, in fact, increase the amount of precipitation, including snow, in some regions." I pointed that out YEARS ago... back around 1990. But, it didn't fit with the "accepted" mantra that CO2 is evil and makes things hot... The irony, of course.. is that global warming causes vastly increased snow... which makes everything cold... and reflects way more heat than CO2 traps ? Global warming... causes global cooling... which still seems isn't an obvious reason to panic ? All it proves is that our climate has overlapping homeostatic mechanisms that are wildly inconvenient for those trying to use variations in weather patterns, never mind climate, to whip up hysteria... hoping the hysteria will induce panic... and the panic will induce blind faith in authority and political opportunity for opportunists...