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To: Brumar89 who wrote (46433)2/13/2014 1:31:57 PM
From: Brumar89  Respond to of 69300
 
Columbia mathematician Peter Woit says the unspeakable word
Yes, the r word.

I have a rule … not a big, important rule but a little, important one: If someone is obviously right about something, but everyone else acts like they never even heard it, watch carefully: Something big, and possibly fraudulent, is happening.

It’s the kind of thing you see when the bookkeeper quits an leaves town just before having to sign off on the books, and no one thinks that’s an interesting accident of timing and location.

I am thinking of mathematician Peter Woit’s conflict with Max “multiverses” Tegmark. Woit has said the unsayable, noting that the multiverse is a religious enterprise:

I take Tegmark’s vision as empty, so a good thing to ignore, but Rubenstein sees this as an opening for theologians to get back into the mainstream cosmology business, and the rest of the book focuses on this. With the boundaries between science and religion now gone, all sorts of possibilities open up for theologians. The final part of the book begins by invoking (just like Henrich Päs, who comes at it from the mind-altering drug rather than theological angle) Nietzsche.

Most people I hear quoting Nietzsche have some religious or political project in mind. Note: This is not a rule, big or small. Treat it as a rough guide, noting counter examples.

It seems that, unlike most authors, Rubenstein actually has got the story of multiverse mania right: it’s left conventional notions of science behind and entered into the realm of theology. We do, however, disagree about whether or not this is a good thing…

Sure, you disagree, but why is the fact that it is a thing at all not more generally recognized? Why is the pop science media, including Scientific American, sinking comfortably into this religion?

Why did the bookkeeper suddenly quit and move to the Seychelles?

My Science Fictions series of posts on cosmology sets out briefly (to spare you all having to read a book) that the multiverse was not developed because it was some sort of “only answer” to conundrums of our known universe. Quite the opposite, modest tweaks have been performing well. The big issues, like unifying gravity with the other three forces, likely await new discoveries in this universe, not more dramatic claims about putative other ones.

The multiverse was developed because cosmology in our own universe provides no evidence against theism or rationality. On the contrary, the Big Bang and fine tuning fit quite comfortably with both. But, inconveniently, large number of cosmologists are atheists.

So is Woit. But he sounds like the sort of fellow who is disinclined to simply build a universe that suits him, probably because he does believe in rationality. And to believe in the multiverse, one must get around rationality, which the new cosmologists are more than happy to try to do. As Woit knows.

Science as we have known it just isn’t giving these guys what they want. They want a universe where scientism is reasonable, and as David Berlinski helpfully explains here, this isn’t that universe. But just wait till our universe’s lone vote is drowned out by the multiverse …

No wonder Woit is now labelled a creationist and a hater. He struggles to defend himself against claims that he can’t defend himself against because they make no sense. Welcome to the multiverse, Woit, where things don’t need to make sense, and rationality is only a limitation. And religion absolutely rules. But it’s not the rational religion you grew up with, and there is no use treating it that way.

So, of course the multiverse is a religious enterprise! The critical mass is actually all the chair warmers in the middle, pretending that the multiverse has anything to do with science as we have known it.

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To: Brumar89 who wrote (46433)2/14/2014 12:30:00 AM
From: Solon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300
 
Dawkin's comments below are certainly spot-on! Berlinski is a clown and a laughing stock! He is your kind of nut!

Appealing to authority and credential inflation are common tactics of creationists and Intelligent Design proponents. Expelled’s host, Ben Stein, went to great lengths to hold out Berlinski as an example of a smart guy who believed in Intelligent Design in order to give it some credibility. However, all Berlinski succeeded in doing was to be a particularly obnoxious and unlikeable character, saying that Richard Dawkins is “a crummy philosopher” and “a little bit of a reptile”.

In an article reminiscing on an infamous book review for The New York Times in 1989 where he wrote, “It is absolutely safe to say that if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane (or wicked, but I’d rather not consider that),” Dawkins had this to say about Berlinski:

Are there, then, any examples of anti-evolution poseurs who are not ignorant, stupid or insane, and who might be genuine candidates for the wicked category? I once shared a platform with someone called David Berlinski, who is certainly not ignorant, stupid or insane. He denies that he is a creationist, but claims strong scientific arguments against evolution (which disappointingly turn out to be the same old creationist arguments). Together with the great John Maynard Smith and others, he and I were guest speakers at a debate organized by a prominent Oxford rabbi. Maynard Smith spoke after Berlinski and, not surprisingly, he soon had the audience roaring with laughter as he lampooned Berlinski’s bad arguments. But what amused me was Berlinski’s tactic for dealing with this mocking laughter. He sprang to his feet, held up a reproachful open palm towards the audience, and said (approximately of course, I can’t remember the exact words): “No no! Don’t laugh. Let Maynard Smith have his say! It’s only fair!” Happily, the Oxford audience saw through this tactic of pretending to think the audience were laughing at Maynard Smith rather than with him. And the rabbi, himself a devout creationist, afterwards told me he had been shocked at Berlinski’s duplicity. By itself, this is too trivial an example to deserve the name wicked. But it did make me wonder about Berlinski’s motives. As I said, he is certainly not ignorant, stupid or insane.

After witnessing his performance in Expelled, Dawkins’ assessment of Berlinski is borne out all too well.