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To: Ron who wrote (244813)	2/17/2014 3:00:11 PM
From: koan	Respond to of 540795

I am not saying anything about that, or much of anything else as far as that goes. My mom was the kindest person on earth, and raised in poverty, but very smart and figured things out on her own. She always railed about how the priests get so much and the nuns so little and it was unfair. She was big into being fair. She was a hard core Eleanor Roosevelt feminist long before her time. I thank my lucky stars I got her for a mom. So the conversation just reminded me of that. Boy that subject would get her going. That and the evil Republican's-lo. She would cut them no slack at all. Just like epicures header :>). Most of the Democratic party is actually conservative and that is fine. I know people are conflicted. I have watched it all my life. I want the democratic party to stay the big tent party and not take on religion unless it is unfair like gay bashing. I married three ex catholic women-lol. One now a hard core atheist, one a soft core atheist and one took a different religion. And I know the struggle people born into religion have with it their whole lives. Two of my best friends were hard core Catholics when young and one was Jesuit. He is pretty free now, but his wife still has a hard time with letting it go. Both are very liberal. But one girl ended up religious and it worries them as she married a fundamentalist who really subordinates her. They support her, but I think that is the wrong approach, but it is their life. He drives me nuts.

To: Ron who wrote (244813)	2/17/2014 3:30:31 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 540795

My mom and dad dragged me to church for 15 years, even though both of them were agnostics. They wanted all us kids to be exposed to religion, is what my mom told me. She was the main force dragging us all to church, for two reasons: 1. It was like a Sunday social club for her, where she could talk with other women. 2. It made us appear to be "normal", church-going Americans My dad, bless his heart, went because mom wanted us all to go. I quit going at 15, but shortly before I quit going, my dad took to falling asleep during the sermon and snoring loudly. Mom would wake him up, but shortly he'd do an embarrassing rerun. Once all us kids stopped going, the parents quit going as well. Mom had gone back to teaching by then, and had other social outlets than church. Dad now slept away Sunday mornings in undisturbed peace. I don't see my family as different from most Americans. Some go for my parent's reasons, others go to get customers for their businesses, others to make connections useful in life and business. Some may even go to worship.