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To: epicure who wrote (245921)	2/28/2014 5:35:46 PM
From: Ron	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542539

Aye, therein lies the rub. Hard to go back and discern the underlying religious aspects of many wars. But I'd wager a lot of them were motivated by good old greed, appetite for real estate, and even climate. I know some folks in the Great Lakes area who are already talking about 'defending our water' from the people who will be desperate for it in the desert southwest. These particular folks are not religious, just stingy. Quite often the religious aspects of wars are simply coincidence. I'd even venture the 'War on Terror' is as attributable to the quest for Middle Eastern Oil, as it is to radical Muslims or Bible-thumping Christians, maybe more so. OK, I've probably stirred up a hornet's nest now. So we are heading out for a delightful evening at a 'Final Friday' art walk, followed by dinner at a new little bistro with live Jazz. I'm sure there'll be a bunch of liberals there, many of them even religious :)

To: epicure who wrote (245921)	2/28/2014 5:54:02 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Respond to of 542539

"would people fight anyway, or do they fight more often because of religion" Probably, for it is written in the Good Book

To: epicure who wrote (245921)	2/28/2014 9:19:50 PM
From: koan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542539

That is a good question. I have thought a lot about it. I think our nature is to kill easily, as we needed to, to survive. Maybe even take pleasure out of it. Make the kill you eat! Roman colosseums. So our killing is a hangover from those days in the wild. Primitive religions, are sort of an illogical totally contrived ornament attached to the killing, but neither responsible for it, or able to prevent it. Religion just intermingles with the insanity of instinct. Written language and moveable type brought our brains to the fore. And that is where we are now. Instinctual script is battling with newly developed brains. <<The question then becomes, is religion just a proxy, and would people fight anyway, or do they fight more often because of religion. I don't think there is any way to prove this out very well. It's not like you can run history all over again and figure out what it would look like without religion.