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To: vinod Khurana who wrote (19053)12/11/1997 8:04:00 PM
From: vinod Khurana  Respond to of 42771
 
The Truth About Java: Why Microsoft and Sun fight

By Chris Jones

SAN FRANCISCO (Wired) - For software developers, the people who at some point have to stop gawking at the
promise of Java and get work to pay the bills, not much is clear in the perpetual haze that swirls around all things Java.

In fact, for now, just one thing is obvious. Sun Microsystems' push to establish its prize creation as a platform will have to
overcome the most unmovable of objects in the software industry: Microsoft's determination that Windows is the center
of the universe.

For Microsoft, Java is a language -- albeit a cool one that can serve Windows well. And that's that.

Developers are attracted to Java because of Sun's revolutionary -- if somewhat hype-ridden -- invitation to write
programs for the sake of writing programs.

Never mind the operating system -- the code will run everywhere. The promise itself, however mist-wrapped, gets
developers' juices flowing.

"Somehow Java reignites people's excitement about developing software," says Rick Ross, founder of the independent
Java Lobby group. "There's something wild and new, something funky about the Internet, and its tendency is to work in a
way that's not 100 percent about profit."

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Java's entrepreneurial devotees and Sun itself are not charitable organizations. So profit must emerge from the Java haze,
too, at some point. And that means developers are looking for some resolution to the Sun-Microsoft Java set-to.

Key to that battle is Sun's October federal court allegation that Microsoft is trying to determine Java's future by
developing its own unique version of the product.

Sun alleges that Microsoft has broken its licensing agreement by refusing to include key parts of Sun's Java package in its
software developer's kit for Internet Explorer 4.0.

Among the missing pieces are remote method invocation classes -- RMI for short -- that allow Java objects and virtual
machines to talk to each other in a network.

The virtual machines are devices embedded in browsers and other software that read and "interpret" program code for
specific operating systems.

"At this point, you really have to sort of bet on horses," says John Schroeder, vice president of engineering at Sqribe
Technologies. "You look at the technology that's embedded in Java and you have to choose wisely."

Despite the attractiveness of the RMI linking technology, Shroeder said, "we didn't use it because of the uncertainty."

It looks like that uncertainty will last.

Microsoft views Java as a useful language -- and "language" is the operative word here -- to develop yet more
applications for the Windows platform, taking advantage of all the features and processing support therein.

"We think this is a cool language," says Jon Roskill, director of visual tools marketing at Microsoft. "You can write a
watered-down platform-neutral version (of an application) or use it as a language to write applications."

That means writing Java versions of Windows programs, and that represents a big problem for Sun. First, the
development of a Window-ized version of Java compromises Sun's "write once, run everywhere" vision for its invention.

Second, Microsoft has overcome oft-mentioned Java performance problems by developing a virtual machine that works
-- and according to many, works fast.

"Do developers have to choose?" asks Microsoft's Cornelius Willis. "Yeah, clearly, if you want to invest in Windows,
Java is a great language for building Windows applications. The platform is a valuable asset, and there will always be
choices."

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It's clear that Microsoft brings all its Windows clout to the dispute. What does Sun bring to the table?

Well established as a powerful behind-the-scenes and middleware technology -- in application servers and other linking
tools -- Java hasn't yet produced any significant front-end programs, something for users to feast their eyes on. And
therein is one of Java's weaknesses.

"The problem lies in the GUIs (the user interfaces)," says Madhu Siddalingaiah, a Java developer who has written several
books on the technology. "Developers need more tools and education on how to properly implement them. But with the
core technologies, I don't know of anyone that could have done a better job with that than Sun has."

The promise is that Java will deliver more eatures as it evolves. But the question lingers: Will developers succumb to
market pressures and build products without Java as the basis, or will they build software based on features of other
operating systems, as Microsoft recommends?

"The trend is, where Java can't cut the mustard, developers are building in about 90 percent Java," says the Java Lobby's
Ross.

Though it's becoming an accepted truth in the Java community that Microsoft is trying to squelch Sun's platform vision for
Java, there is something of an anomaly in Sun's message.

On the one hand, Sun doesn't want Java to become a platform-specific language, because that would undermine Java's
cross-platform mission.

However, Sun has yet to deliver important platform support so developers can build the types of applications they are
accustomed to creating.

--

Java's advantages as a programming language are partly due to the Java virtual machine, which has memory management
features and opens up cross-platform capabilities. And in markets ranging from back-end application servers to small,
focused desktop business programs, Java is slowly proving itself to be a cross-platform commodity.

David Boydston of Solutions Consulting in Santa Barbara, California, and a longtime C and C++ developer who recently
used Java to create serial port software for Windows, is sold on this aspect.

"Java has turned out to be an exceptional tool," he says. "We're building things two to four times faster than before." He
added that "speed is an issue, but a well-designed program can be very fast."

For many, the advantages of using Java boils down to development time. And that may be where Java will find a ready
supply of converts.

"It takes you half as much time to write Java code," says Siddalingaiah. "I teach Java classes and in every class I
challenge the best C++ programmers to write a program and we'll see who gets it done first. No one will take the
challenge."

(Reuters/Wired)



To: vinod Khurana who wrote (19053)12/11/1997 8:36:00 PM
From: Joe Antol  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 42771
 
VK: I'm here (and there and everywhere <g>). First, your call on the 6's for NOVL. I would've never agreed with that before, but you know you've seen me say it here. I'll get back in then... (I know Fred, it ain't gonna happen <g>). I'm watching this one (just like Paul is..) and COSFF too (I left you a message there). Why no IBM now? .... Lovefest with you-know-who. Believe me (ask your bud' in Canada). He knows. BTW, I'm getting pretty close to filling my GTC OTB on ORCL for 20 1/4 or better. How you doin' with that one?

Lastly, the August rumor? You mean the one that spiked Novell trades to over 35 million in one day, and close to that the next? You mean the one that got it above 10 for a short time? You mean that one that "helped" at least SOMEBODY make money on this dog? <grin>. You mean the one that pissed off Schmidt, and dumb ol' Bradford and Tolonen cudda' made more money then (but they didn't know it was coming?). You mean "that one"? <G>.

Why VK, I know you know, I know geez, a "couple" of people in the media <chuckle>, but WOW, somebody's gotta have some kinda pull to move a market like that in one day, no? <GG>. Maybe there's some truth to what your Canadian IBM'er is telling you <s>.

Regards,

Joe...<but then again, maybe there isn't either ... we'll never know, will we <grin>>




To: vinod Khurana who wrote (19053)12/16/1997 3:13:00 AM
From: Lawrence Petkus  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 42771
 
Hello Vinod:

The Saudi Prince who recently took a position in Motorola is said to be interested in taking a stake in Novell and Oracle. This isn't takeover information, but it sure is better than news of insider selling! The article appears in the San Jose Mercury site:
spyglass1.sjmercury.com

By the way, Vinod, I have gotten a real kick out of the energy you put out on this board. Keep up the good work: you start the wheels a rollin'.

You and others often use hypertext links to your source of information. Over the last couple of years reading this board, I enjoyed the source info. Can a person provide the hypertext link using the Netscape 4.0 software? Is it a difficult procedure? Are there copyright questions?
If you or anyone can illuminate this matter, I would appreciate it.

Thanks,
Lawrence