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To: Brumar89 who wrote (48702)	3/8/2014 3:21:53 PM
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To suggest that meditation which extends to the appreciation of the mind that could so percieve that infinite order & take infinite delight in it, is a bias? We can appreciate structures that are interlapping complex systems easily now, that could only be broadly generally referred to from before.

To: Brumar89 who wrote (48702)	3/8/2014 3:23:10 PM
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Your problem here is also one of borrowed & stolen cosmologies & theologies that were distinctly Indo/Persian, exactly like they you are also an alcolyte of the great resurrection, day of judgment idea where that holy nation of souls shall be resurrected bodily to some kingdom of heaven. Its just the truth of origins of myths, which even that desire the Hermit crab has to continue in a much safer abode has, it all emerges out of the fundamental instinct for survial, the continuation of the species/tribe thru the survival & health of its individuals. Don't kill me, i am only the anthropology looking back at you, just the messenger.

To: Brumar89 who wrote (48702)	3/8/2014 6:25:21 PM
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You're just trying to dress up your biases by borrowing the name of a classical figure..... No, its called reference to recorded history of which you are free to study yourself, the real dressed up ideas as you well know come later. "In the Name of " The precision on a molecular level, in that 3D space is as deterministic as one could ever hope to see, also the actions of men, just look at your biker born-again friend Putin.

To: Brumar89 who wrote (48702)	4/15/2014 3:16:02 PM
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don't think you should pretend to speak for Democritus..... Your kind of monkeys always do imagine themselves holding the power to limit what people can choose to study & what may be observed don't they? (Y'all should rejoin the Mother Church, would be a good thing for wayward Baptists, just too full of yourselves) But lets examine the materialist atomic theory of Democritus while keeping in mind what scientists have gone on to prove since 470bc, but think i shall speak up for him, what depth of thinking. And what marvels will we incover 2000yrs from now in the same vein about materialist Nature? Philosophy and science, Atomic hypothesis en.wikipedia.org The theory of Democritus and Leucippus held that everything is composed of "atoms", which are physically, but not geometrically, indivisible; that between atoms, there lies empty space; that atoms are indestructible; have always been, and always will be, in motion; that there are an infinite number of atoms, and kinds of atoms, which differ in shape, and size. Of the mass of atoms, Democritus said "The more any indivisible exceeds, the heavier it is." But his exact position on weight of atoms is disputed. [3] Leucippus is widely credited with being the first to develop the theory of atomism, although Isaac Newton preferred to credit the obscure Mochus the Phoenician (whom he believed to be the biblical Moses) as the inventor of the idea on the authority of Posidonius and Strabo. [28] The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy notes, "This theologically motivated view does not seem to claim much historical evidence, however." [29] Democritus, along with Leucippus and Epicurus, proposed the earliest views on the shapes and connectivity of atoms. They reasoned that the solidness of the material corresponded to the shape of the atoms involved. Thus, iron atoms are solid and strong with hooks that lock them into a solid; water atoms are smooth and slippery; salt atoms, because of their taste, are sharp and pointed; and air atoms are light and whirling, pervading all other materials. [30] Using analogies from our sense experiences, he gave a picture or an image of an atom that distinguished them from each other by their shape, their size, and the arrangement of their parts. Moreover, connections were explained by material links in which single atoms were supplied with attachments: some with hooks and eyes others with balls and sockets. [31] The Democritean atom is an inert solid (merely excluding other bodies from its volume) that interacts with other atoms mechanically. In contrast, modern, quantum-mechanical atoms interact via electric and magnetic force fields and are far from inert.

To: Brumar89 who wrote (48702)	4/15/2014 5:01:48 PM
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More on the materialist Ethics & Politics of Democritus (these Greeks were advanced and ruled Judae for how many years/centuries?) en.wikipedia.org He says that "Equality is everywhere noble," Poverty in a democracy is better than prosperity under tyrants, for the same reason one is to prefer liberty over slavery. Those in power should "take it upon themselves to lend to the poor and to aid them and to favor them, then is there pity and no isolation but companionship and mutual defense and concord among the citizens and other good things too many to catalogue." Money when used with sense leads to generosity and charity, while money used in folly leads to a common expense for the whole society— excessive hoarding of money for one's children is avarice. While making money is not useless, he says, doing so as a result of wrongdoing is the "worst of all things." He is on the whole ambivalent towards wealth, and values it much less than self-sufficiency. He disliked violence but was not a pacifist: he urged cities to be prepared for war, and believed that a society had the right to execute a criminal or enemy so long as this did not violate some law, treaty, or oath . Goodness, he believed, came more from practice and discipline than from innate human nature. He believed that one should distance oneself from the wicked, stating that such association increases disposition to vice. Anger, while difficult to control, must be mastered in order for one to be rational. Those who take pleasure from the disasters of their neighbors fail to understand that their fortunes are tied to the society in which they live, and they rob themselves of any joy of their own. Democritus believed that happiness was a property of the soul. He advocated a life of contentment with as little grief as possible, which he said could not be achieved through either idleness or preoccupation with worldly pleasures. Contentment would be gained, he said, through moderation and a measured life; to be content one must set their judgment on the possible and be satisfied with what one has—giving little thought to envy or admiration. Democritus approved of extravagance on occasion, as he held that feasts and celebrations were necessary for joy and relaxation. He considers education to be the noblest of pursuits, but cautioned that learning without sense leads to error.